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Nice way to be patronizing.

So glad I don't live in a world where I'm limited to be around people like you.


PS, Bill Clinton is not running in this election.
But his wife is. If she had any self respect she'd have ditched him long ago. As it is she has more neck than a giraffe by commenting on this.

And where did I say I'd heard such remarks from my friends? You just need to get out more.
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Plenty of them did! Plenty of them tried to make his campaign legitimate.

And the non crazy Trump supports are getting it now. Even if he wins the flyover states he won't win.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...tion-forecast/
Who in the Republican establishment supported Trump?

(Sure, some "endorsed" him after he won the primary but that was only with their arms pinned behind their backs.)
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But his wife is. If she had any self respect she'd have ditched him long ago. As it is she has more neck than a giraffe by commenting on this.

And where did I say I'd heard such remarks from my friends? You just need to get out more.
His wife is not responsible for his actions (and vice versa). Their private life is their own. She's not the first woman in the world that has stood behind a cheating husband (or vice versa) and she won't be the last.

Just because her husband is a skirt chaser doesn't make her a hypocrite. I'm sure she had sharp words for her husband that we were not party to. I doubt their conversation at home consisted of her going "Don't worry dear. It's OK. There are plenty of blokes in bars who are sexist asses".

I never said sexist jack asses don't exist. It's clear Trump is the face of this kind of disgusting behavior. Just like it is no longer acceptable to spout off racist and anti-Semitic crap at a bar, it is less and less acceptable to spout off this kind of misogynist bullshit. You can see this clearly by the reaction to Trump.

I'm just glad you'll not be voting.



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Who in the Republican establishment supported Trump?

(Sure, some "endorsed" him after he won the primary but that was only with their arms pinned behind their backs.)
True. Endorsed is not the same as supported. But by endorsing him they gave legitimacy to his candidacy.
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I never said sexist jack asses don't exist. It's clear Trump is the face of this kind of disgusting behavior. Just like it is no longer acceptable to spout off racist and anti-Semitic crap at a bar, it is less and less acceptable to spout off this kind of misogynist bullshit. You can see this clearly by the reaction to Trump.
The problem with enforced correctness, though, might be how much appeal it creates to be incorrect.

People are facetious creatures and do not like to be told what to do. Especially those who based the history of their country on ego of the individual and liberties, and maybe not so much on reason, responsibility and compromise.

I would prefer that people did not want to hear racist, mysogenist or antisemitic stuff.

As it is, from the current presidential campaign, we are not there. Hate sells.

I think Hillary is a hypocrite, but what if one has to be, me thinks, to stomach all that mess of people's expectations, ego feeding, PC, the climate of media power and milking the oppression appeal (where there might actually be none or different).
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Just because her husband is a skirt chaser doesn't make her a hypocrite.
I agree with this as a general principle but Hillary did more than keep the marriage together. She actively and maliciously engaged in slandering his accusers, calling them liars, illegally obtaining their FBI files for dirt, hiring goons to intimidate the women, and instead blaming the women themselves and the infamous "right wing conspiracy" when she knew Bill had done these things. That makes her a hypocrite and, much worse, an enabler.

Doesn't that concern you?
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Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Hillary Clinton is the candidate this time around.
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Doesn't that concern you?
Not nearly as much as putting a man with the maturity of a 15 year old in charge of weapons of mass destruction, no. It's no longer about Clinton!
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Not nearly as much as putting a man with the maturity of a 15 year old in charge of weapons of mass destruction, no. It's no longer about Clinton!
Gary Johnson is running for president too. Why have the Dems allowed the Clintons to completely corrupt the party? They could have chosen another nominee, just like the Repubs. At least Trump only won the nomination by plurality.
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Not nearly as much as putting a man with the maturity of a 15 year old in charge of weapons of mass destruction, no. It's no longer about Clinton!
So supporting a sexual assault enabler is okay if the politics line up? Trump's a yuge w__k_r but the nuclear war fantasy is just too convenient.

And the principled Dems (and Repubs) can vote Johnson! Even if he's never heard of Aleppo and smokes a lot of pot, he's still better than those other two.
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Re: Will Trump be the next US President?

I think the only way to combat the idea of "lesser evil" in that system is to not vote at all. Nobody. Which considering how many supporters both "lesser evils" have, is impossible.

By the way, people misbehave (Nomad pointed out Hilary's corruptive behavior) as much as the system lets them get away with. Having faulty system, and say it's people's democratic wish to vote for a douche and have the douche get away with whatever she/he wants..requires a lot of reparation. And there must be an interest. Where is the interest? I don't think Trump represents any will to repair, just his own interests.
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Gary Johnson is running for president too. Why have the Dems allowed the Clintons to completely corrupt the party? They could have chosen another nominee, just like the Repubs. At least Trump only won the nomination by plurality.
You and I both know that the Johnson is not a viable option! Voters should be under no illusions, this is not about party politics anymore it's all about weather you put someone in charge of the country that could not only do serious damage to the country, but to the world at large. And if it all goes pear shaped, excuses will not be accepted because the warnings are very clear.
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Old 09.10.2016, 15:56
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The problem with enforced correctness, though, might be how much appeal it creates to be incorrect.

People are facetious creatures and do not like to be told what to do. Especially those who based the history of their country on ego of the individual and liberties, and maybe not so much on reason, responsibility and compromise.

I would prefer that people did not want to hear racist, mysogenist or antisemitic stuff.

As it is, from the current presidential campaign, we are not there. Hate sells.

I think Hillary is a hypocrite, but what if one has to be, me thinks, to stomach all that mess of people's expectations, ego feeding, PC, the climate of media power and milking the oppression appeal (where there might actually be none or different).
What are you talking about? This not "enforced correctness". This is a change in attitudes.

No one is forcing you to not be a misogynist, racist or an anti-semite. Just don't be surprised if people turn their backs on you and your only supports feel the same way.

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I agree with this as a general principle but Hillary did more than keep the marriage together. She actively and maliciously engaged in slandering his accusers, calling them liars, illegally obtaining their FBI files for dirt, hiring goons to intimidate the women, and instead blaming the women themselves and the infamous "right wing conspiracy" when she knew Bill had done these things. That makes her a hypocrite and, much worse, an enabler.

Doesn't that concern you?
There certainly was a right wing witch hunt.

I never said I have no concerns about Hillary Clinton. If it were up to me she would not be the candidate.

We have the system we have. Of the two Hillary is much more qualified, more educated and many time less psychotic and narcissistic than Trump. Even with her flaws, she has done much more for women, minorities, "normal" people than he has even thought of doing. (Well, except screwing them. He holds the record on that.)


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Gary Johnson is running for president too. Why have the Dems allowed the Clintons to completely corrupt the party? They could have chosen another nominee, just like the Repubs. At least Trump only won the nomination by plurality.
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So supporting a sexual assault enabler is okay if the politics line up? Trump's a yuge w__k_r but the nuclear war fantasy is just too convenient.

And the principled Dems (and Repubs) can vote Johnson! Even if he's never heard of Aleppo and smokes a lot of pot, he's still better than those other two.
I will vote for a 3rd party candidate when they make their parties legitimate by standing in local and state elections. Why on earth do 3rd parties candidates think they can take the presidency when they do nothing in any other election?

In that last 50 years there have been less than 10 3rd party candidates in Congress and less than 10 state governors.

If 3rd parties want to really make a difference they need to start at the bottom.

It's insane to consider electing someone who knows ZERO of what is going on in the world. Geez. Open the CCN website once a day FFS. Talk about a slacker. Seriously.
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Of the two Hillary is much more qualified.
How so?

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You and I both know that the Johnson is not a viable option! Voters should be under no illusions, this is not about party politics anymore it's all about weather you put someone in charge of the country that could not only do serious damage to the country, but to the world at large. And if it all goes pear shaped, excuses will not be accepted because the warnings are very clear.
Which is why voting against Hillary is the best choice.

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Trump was pretty silly to be caught on tape. His handlers must be livid. May.be.he.will.ha.ve.to.be.more.scrip.ted.in.fut.u re.

Trump's decades-long history of misogynistic and crude sex talk

Wonder if he will now face accusations of sexual assault. Even if he was exaggerating, it could give the green light to hopeful compo claimants.
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There certainly was a right wing witch hunt.
Do you think the women who accused Bill of sexual assault are liars?

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Even with her flaws, she has done much more for women, minorities, "normal" people than he has even thought of doing. (Well, except screwing them. He holds the record on that.)
What has Hillary ever done for normal people? And you think a woman who has enabled sexual assault has done things for women? There's some inconsistency coming from you here, as I expect you do not support sexual assaulters. As Camilla Paglia put it, "Hillary Clinton's feminism is a fraud."

And yes, Trump is a sh_t-st__n.

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You and I both know that the Johnson is not a viable option! Voters should be under no illusions, this is not about party politics anymore it's all about weather you put someone in charge of the country that could not only do serious damage to the country, but to the world at large. And if it all goes pear shaped, excuses will not be accepted because the warnings are very clear.
Would you vote for Rubio if he were on the ballot?
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Their private life is their own.
Not when you're President. And not when you're running for President.

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Just because her husband is a skirt chaser doesn't make her a hypocrite. I'm sure she had sharp words for her husband that we were not party to. I doubt their conversation at home consisted of her going "Don't worry dear. It's OK. There are plenty of blokes in bars who are sexist asses".
"Sharp words" lol. Their conversation probably went along the lines of "you're sex mad sociopathic philanderer, but I'll let that all that slide on account of my own ambition to be President."

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I'm just glad you'll not be voting.
If you had any sense, you wouldn't either. MusicChick gets it.

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Do you think the women who accused Bill of sexual assault are liars?
Distract the conversation with stupid questions. Good tactic.

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And yes, Trump is a sh_t-st__n.
Silly article. It's up to her if she wants to stay with her husband. Not anyone else's. Feminism is about choice. Her choice would not be my choice. She's not advocating that everyone needs to stay with their husband's as the Republican Christian right do.

In total, Hillary Clinton sponsored 417 progressive bills on a range of issues during her tenure as Senator.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bil...#terms=__ALL__

What did Trump do for normal people except screw them over?



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Not when you're President. And not when you're running for President.
Yes. Even when running for president. Private lives are just that.

You guys don't seem to care about Trump's cheating and 3 marriages. Double standards.
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Thankfully, neither of you, MuiscChick nor Tom will be voting.
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You guys don't seem to care about Trump's cheating and 3 marriages. Double standards.
But I'm not the one jumping all over Hillary for something that happened years ago. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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