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View Poll Results: Would you like Marine Le Pen to become president and take France out of the EU?
Yes I want her to become president and take France out of the EU. 7 10.94%
Yes I want her to become president, but France should stay in the EU. 3 4.69%
No I don't want her to become president, but France should leave the EU nonetheless. 4 6.25%
No I don't want her to become president and I don't want France to leave the EU. 40 62.50%
I couldn't care less about Marine Le Pen, France, or the EU. 10 15.63%
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Old 01.12.2016, 16:56
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This doesn't really cut it, or the FN wouldn't be in the position it is already, or SVP here and AfD in Germany for that matter. Being educated or not, politically or otherwise, isn't the big divider.
Blocher has actually said that his model after which he shaped the SVP was the CSU of Strauss' day. The Austrian FPÖ was similarly inspired back when Haider was still in charge.

The ideological roots of the FN are more complicated than that, but Germany's AfD definitely look up to the SVP as a model, so you can say that the AfD is a German political model coming home.
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

Hollande just announced he's not seeking a second mandate! Champagne all round!!!
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Hollande just announced he's not seeking a second mandate! Champagne all round!!!
Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.

Seriously, I see a lot of British lurking and preaching, and it makes me wonder. Is it because you "know" better for everybody else, or what. Whatever it is, please do enlighten me.
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Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.

Seriously, I see a lot of Americans lurking and preaching, and it makes me wonder. Is it because you "know" better for everybody else, or what. Whatever it is, please do enlighten me.
Fixed that for you
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I don't think it's about what will or will not happen. It's that the same problems are occurring in France as occurred in the UK and USA. Even if Fillon becomes president, Marine won't magically disappear into a black hole. What will happen in Germany is more an open question. Listening to Merkel's grandstanding, she is preparing Germany to be the only reasonable and decent country left standing. In other words, she sees her destiny in splendid isolation. A pity that her glorious and superior education didn't include any history courses.
I don't really believe Merkel has an ideology of her own, nor does she truly lead the country in any particular direction. She simply plays a figurehead role, like the kinds you see carved in front of old ships. She only needs to appear like she is leading the country, but other factors are determining the course of the ship. I think she will just try to recast herself as a conservative in due course of time, and Germans and Europeans will convince themselves to eat it up.

It may be a good time to start looking for a bargain vacation home on the Cote d'Azur. Vive la France!
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Fixed that for you
Yeah, they're cute too.
From another thread, on US

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What is of more interest is the impact around him and how it changes the dynamics of the US as it goes through its upcoming changes. I believe there are upcoming opportunities for US to boom - the US, not Trump. I think it has the potential to be huuuuge and amazing in a couple of years.
It's similar to what you read on the thread about Brexit.

I can't take these people seriously.


Anyway, it seems the left will have Valls..
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Why? You're not French, your country is not in EU anymore, so? What's in it for you? Just curious.
Just out of interest, did you ask the same question of the leftist Europeans who bash Trump?
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Just out of interest, did you ask the same question of the leftist Europeans who bash Trump?
Who are the leftists now? Those who are against giving total disinhibition and extremism the validation and legitimacy they need? It looks like everyone who speaks up against far right parties and the vibes of the last century '30s is a lefty now.
France has a strong socialist tradition and I don't know why is this so looked down upon by people who bring the same arguments in various discussions but wrap them up in a different package. The disenfranchised local blue collar class who could afford having a middle class life style two centuries ago (I'm joking, before anyone starts correcting me), the loss of the good jobs etc etc. So? What is it in the end? Is the right wing politics the only one allowed to express their views on pretty much everything?



Off topic. This is a 3 y.o. story but funny nevertheless

http://www.mining.com/how-stupid-do-...inister-77806/

I can see Marine Le Pen fighting with her arms and teeth against the bloody imperialists. She'll give people whatever they want to hear, same as lovely Farage. She'll be a true lefty at heart for the good, pure French people, she'll be Göring for the ugly immigrants, but secretly letting them in as a necessary evil. Make up your mind folks.

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Who are the leftists now? Those who are against giving total disinhibition and extremism the validation and legitimacy they need? It looks like everyone who speaks up against far right parties and the vibes of the last century '30s is a lefty now.
France has a strong socialist tradition and I don't know why is this so looked down upon by people who bring the same arguments in various discussions but wrap them up in a different package. The disenfranchised local blue collar class who could afford having a middle class life style two centuries ago (I'm joking, before anyone starts correcting me), the loss of the good jobs etc etc. So? What is it in the end? Is the right wing politics the only one allowed to express their views on pretty much everything?
Very true.

But you didn't really answer my question.

You proposed that Brits and Americans have no business discussing French politics. By the same measure, do you agree that Europeans shouldn't criticize Trump?
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

If the run-off comes out to a choice between Fillon vs. Le Pen, it will be hilarious to see leftists rooting for one or another. I'm laughing about it already.
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