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View Poll Results: Would you like Marine Le Pen to become president and take France out of the EU?
Yes I want her to become president and take France out of the EU. 7 10.94%
Yes I want her to become president, but France should stay in the EU. 3 4.69%
No I don't want her to become president, but France should leave the EU nonetheless. 4 6.25%
No I don't want her to become president and I don't want France to leave the EU. 40 62.50%
I couldn't care less about Marine Le Pen, France, or the EU. 10 15.63%
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Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

Brexit is happening.
who is next? Might be Denmark, Poland, Czechia, France or any other EU member.

But France would certainly have the loudest impact of any other country.
Furthermore, with Marine Le Pen having real chances of winning the next presidential election, the possibility of a Frexit cannot be dismissed.

So what do you think? Is the end of the EU close?

And an article to kick off the discussion.
Marine Le Pen Prepares for a “Frexit”
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

Absolutely, the EU will be not more in the next 5 years, perhaps even less.

Le Pen is no more seen as an out of touch dangerous far right politician, she has more and more support among the French people.
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

I think France is vulnerable because:

- they have an even more negative view of the EU than UK in a recent poll
- economy has been worse for longer
- unemployment is double compared to UK
- schengen and eurozone add to that dissatisfaction
- huge racial tensions and islamist attacks
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

The UK was the most spoilt country by the EU, so if they wanted out, imagine the national feeling in other countries?!
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

A fragmented Europe isn't a good sign for the rest of the world. Two full scale wars happened when Europe was divided. Another war could be apocalyptic.

Looming signs.
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A fragmented Europe isn't a good sign for the rest of the world. Two full scale wars happened when Europe was divided. Another war could be apocalyptic.

Looming signs.
We haven't achieved much anyway
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

France has an even more negative view on anything on the planet, not just the EU.


1. No, I don't want her to become president and I do not want France to leave as this would be the end of the European Union.


2. Just like in the UK: France has problems. A lot of them and more than the UK. Blaming all of them on the EU is a natural thing for politicians who don't like to take on responsibility but are good at shouting (cough, BORIS, cough...). Just as with any right winged populist around Europe: The FN won't be able to solve the problems. No right winged populist movement ever has... and the FN is one of the more incompetent ones around. So a French exist would be one of the smaller problems I see with Le Pen becoming president...


3. If France leaves will the EU of course leave Strasbourg. Brussels was only chosen as the main seat because the UK did not accept a city in France and France did not accept any place that was not francophone... with both countries gone and essentially Germany plus Eastern Europe left could the seat be moved to Berlin, would save millions in travel cost. We should also rename the EU to "the Axis"...
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France has an even more negative view on anything on the planet, not just the EU.


1. No, I don't want her to become president and I do not want France to leave as this would be the end of the European Union.


2. Just like in the UK: France has problems. A lot of them and more than the UK. Blaming all of them on the EU is a natural thing for politicians who don't like to take on responsibility but are good at shouting (cough, BORIS, cough...). Just as with any right winged populist around Europe: The FN won't be able to solve the problems. No right winged populist movement ever has... and the FN is one of the more incompetent ones around. So a French exist would be one of the smaller problems I see with Le Pen becoming president...


3. If France leaves will the EU of course leave Strasbourg. Brussels was only chosen as the main seat because the UK did not accept a city in France and France did not accept any place that was not francophone... with both countries gone and essentially Germany plus Eastern Europe left could the seat be moved to Berlin, would save millions in travel cost. We should also rename the EU to "the Axis"...
Maybe they should move it to Turkey or a cheap Eastern European country and save even more costs!
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Maybe they should move it to Turkey or a cheap Eastern European country and save even more costs!
maybe they should go with the times and move it to the cloud.
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

Did she not see the detrimental effects of Brexit??
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Did she not see the detrimental effects of Brexit??
What detrimental effects? The whining of pensioners abroad you mean?
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Just as with any right winged populist around Europe: The FN won't be able to solve the problems. No right winged populist movement ever has.
What exactly do you mean?

The fact that "the problems" are still here would suggest that nobody else has managed to solve them either (and we're talking about parties who were in power much more and much longer). So would the criticism go for any other political movement also?
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What exactly do you mean?

The fact that "the problems" are still here would suggest that nobody else has managed to solve them either (and we're talking about parties who were in power much more and much longer). So would the criticism go for any other political movement also?


Anyone from Conservative over center right to center left to socialist is trying to solve the problems with different strategies depending on their political views.


Extremists in Europe today are used to be "opposition" and don't really work on workable solutions... the Brexit is the best example: Farage did not expect to win and be expected to follow up on his promises. He is so used to making up facts as nobody takes him serious that he was caught completely off-guard when asked about the 350 Mil a week for the NHS.


The same is true or the AfD, the FN and all the others: It's easy to be in the opposition and blame everything on "the man"... it tends to be much harder to actually implement change. The only exception I can come up with is the SVP - they manage to have radical views in campaigns and during elections but actually behave much less radical when in power. The FN is nowhere near this capability. They'd screw up France completely in no time...
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The same is true or the AfD, the FN and all the others: It's easy to be in the opposition and blame everything on "the man"... it tends to be much harder to actually implement change. The only exception I can come up with is the SVP - they manage to have radical views in campaigns and during elections but actually behave much less radical when in power. The FN is nowhere near this capability. They'd screw up France completely in no time...
Valid points.

But my opinion is that as far as your views on the FN are concerned, they're out of date by about 10 years. Marine has really pulled some big changes and most of daddy's old chums and sidekicks have been sidelined, as have his ideas and policies.
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

The idea of nation-state is so outdated and even antiquated. Sometimes I wonder whether the world needs some Alien invasion to grasp how a pathetic chess game is going on at the expense of people.
Back to the topic, I think, it would be a very bad maneuver for France even to think leaving (eg financial and bureaucratic crisis at a massive scale, among others). Chaos should preferably be manageable to a certain extent
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The idea of nation-state is so outdated and even antiquated. Sometimes I wonder whether the world needs some Alien invasion to grasp how a pathetic chess game is going on at the expense of people.
Back to the topic, I think, it would be a very bad maneuver for France even to think leaving (eg financial and bureaucratic crisis at a massive scale, among others). Chaos should preferably be manageable to a certain extent
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Re: Marine Le Pen for president and Frexit

"There is a clear danger the European Union will not survive," former EU Commissioner Günter Verheugen told Deutsche Welle on Tuesday.

http://www.dw.com/en/former-eu-commi...ock/a-19365292

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The EU was a post war pipedream, seems it´s had it´s day.
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The EU was a post war pipedream, seems it´s had it´s day.
I think it played a very importanmt role in the post war period in establishing trade and peace. But with its goals fulfilled, its leaders began to see it as a purpose unto itself and to keep inventing new jobs for it so they could keep it alive.
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