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Old 03.07.2016, 21:03
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Brexit and lessons learnt from other countries

Here is an article re the comparison between the former Yugoslavia and Brexit:

http://www.historymatters.group.shef...on-yugoslavia/
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Old 03.07.2016, 21:25
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If there is one lesson the UK should take from Yugoslavia it is this: referendums are terrible.
Strange that it works in Switzerland

The key question is of course: how can a country make such a decision, if not by a voting?
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Old 03.07.2016, 21:39
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Here is an article re the comparison between the former Yugoslavia and Brexit:

http://www.historymatters.group.shef...on-yugoslavia/
On the one hand, I don't think you can compare Brexit with the breakup of Jugoslavia (at least not yet - if the EU does start to disintegrate then we can talk again), on the other hand, I don't agree with the thesis that "referendums are terrible".

On the other hand, I don't think Brexit was a like most secession rederendums to date. Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepe...ndum#Aftermath

To me, the only ones similar to Brexit are Scotland, 2x Quebec, and 4x Puerto Rico.
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Old 04.07.2016, 00:55
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Strange that it works in Switzerland

The key question is of course: how can a country make such a decision, if not by a voting?
Yep, works fine in Ireland as well... Since the introduction of the current constitutions in 1937 there gave been 35 amendments to the constitution some controversial, some not so much and some highly technical where most of the information on the issue was delivered by way of barristers opinions etc.
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Strange that it works in Switzerland

The key question is of course: how can a country make such a decision, if not by a voting?
The British political system is that people elect representatives via the First Past the Post system, and often with a minority with the majority of votes thrown directly in the bin. The winning Party then elect a PM and a cabinet- and they make the decisions for the people, with the accord of a totally un-elected chamber. One could argue that it is not very democratic- but it it the way it is.
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Re: Brexit and lessons learnt from other countries

In Switzerland, for each referendum, you usually have the various parties supporting one way or the other. As a result, they have a duty to an extent to figure out what to do if they win - even if they don't fulfil that duty!

For Brexit, we had Labour and Tories split about which way to go, and there was no coherent plan from the Brexit leaders over what would actually happen if the vote went their way.

Utter shambles.
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there was no coherent plan from the Brexit leaders over what would actually happen if the vote went their way.
But this is not needed as their are no leaders with a mandate to implement the change. The outcome of the voting is to leave. It is on the current or next government to implement that, whoever may be in that government.
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Old 04.07.2016, 12:11
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Strange that it works in Switzerland

The key question is of course: how can a country make such a decision, if not by a voting?
Well, In Switzerland, I don't think this vote would have been presented as it was in the UK.

Say the SVP would have started a referendum on a Swexit.

Then the Bundesrat would have made a Gegenvorschlag.

So voters would have had three voters.

1) Do you want the Swexit, yes / no
2) Do you want the Gegenvorschlag, yes / no
3) If both are passed, which should be adopted, (1) or (2) ?

The Gegenvorschlag might have been something like, we have a list of things we demand of the EU and if we fail to get half of those, we invoke article 50.

A lot of people (a majority?) might have voted yes on question (1) to give the EU a good old scare but voted (2) on question (3)
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Old 04.07.2016, 12:19
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But this is not needed as their are no leaders with a mandate to implement the change. The outcome of the voting is to leave. It is on the current or next government to implement that, whoever may be in that government.
But it's a non-binding referendum, so no legal need to implement it.

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Say the SVP would have started a referendum on a Swexit.
We may have the occasion to vote on just that, they say they want to launch one explicitly asking that.

And they still say Blocher didn't lie even though this makes his true intentions crystal clear.
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