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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

An interesting account:

http://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/sto...eiert-15696168

Facepalm inducing.

When the party is over, the hangover will be brutal.

This is the kind of climate you create when you want to start a war.
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Old 19.07.2016, 17:53
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Complex situation.
You are not considered to be a refugee if you committed a crime against peace in your home counry.

On the other hand the ECHJ does not allow people to be returned to countries where they could face death or torture, and after seeing the pictures of the badly beaten Turkish former air force commander ....
If there's no ground for asylum (which I doubt, where's a will ...) they will first be prosecuted in Greece. Flying an foreign military chopper into Greece they must have broken quite a few paragraphs.
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Old 19.07.2016, 18:06
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

How likely is it that, especially with such a poorly organized coup, the metro to the Atatürk airport is running Friday night at hours it usually doesn't?
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How likely is it that, especially with such a poorly organized coup, the metro to the Atatürk airport is running Friday night at hours it usually doesn't?
That was quick thinking of the metro-admins ;-)

But maybe it's not so difficult: just turn a key and press the "drive" button.
If you know how to switch on the power...


I'm actually thinking of visiting. Prices are at an alltime low for flights and accommodation. And the sights will be less crowded with tourists.
Unfortunately, my GF will be scared to death, so I probably shouldn't even bother to ask ....
And as I said: taking photos while everything is still there...
A co-worker has family there, AFAIK. He could probably recommend me a local guide. I'm certainly not going on my own at this point...
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Old 19.07.2016, 18:18
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How likely is it that, especially with such a poorly organized coup, the metro to the Atatürk airport is running Friday night at hours it usually doesn't?
And travel was free of charge; this is getting silly now!
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Old 19.07.2016, 21:01
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

In the latest developments on Tuesday, the government fired more than 15,000 employees at the education ministry, sacked 257 officials at the prime minister’s office and 492 clerics at the directorate for religious affairs. Additionally, more than 1,500 university deans were asked to resign.

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The purge continues.......
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Old 19.07.2016, 22:17
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Erdogan's new Govt. post purge
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Old 19.07.2016, 23:02
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

This is horrific and scary for all concerned, but I'm relieved that people can finally see the man for what he truely is. Now...what to do about him?
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Old 19.07.2016, 23:04
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This is horrific and scary for all concerned, but I'm relieved that people can finally see the man for what he truely is. Now...what to do about him?
He is doing this because he knows he can get away with it. Who is going to take him out while he provides a staging base for the western military?
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Old 19.07.2016, 23:30
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He is doing this because he knows he can get away with it. Who is going to take him out while he provides a staging base for the western military?
Nothing.

If someone kills him, there will be a civil war and he is going to be a martyr.

People don't dare to say what they think because they don't know who they can trust. I've been saying this for years and I hate to see it becoming the truth, he is khadafi, Kim Jung Un. I don't recognize the place I used to call home.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Some of those arrested look as if they've been beaten up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-plotters.html

It beggars belief that they could have evidence so quickly that tens of thousands of people were involved in a coup attempt.
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Old 20.07.2016, 01:10
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Some of those arrested look as if they've been beaten up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-plotters.html

It beggars belief that they could have evidence so quickly that tens of thousands of people were involved in a coup attempt.
Of course they were beaten up; how else do you get free and voluntary confessions?

They still have to create some credible evidence that Gulen was the master mind; takes longer
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He is doing this because he knows he can get away with it. Who is going to take him out while he provides a staging base for the western military?
So we're consigned to dancing with a convenient devil again? Did we really learn nothing from cosying up to Saddam?

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Nothing.

If someone kills him, there will be a civil war and he is going to be a martyr.

People don't dare to say what they think because they don't know who they can trust. I've been saying this for years and I hate to see it becoming the truth, he is khadafi, Kim Jung Un. I don't recognize the place I used to call home.
He's definitely one of the 'cork' leaders. Any power vacuum in Turkey could be catastrophic at this point in time, but...he must not be excused for his actions against his own people or neighbours.

This is one hell of a diplomatic tight rope walk.
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Old 20.07.2016, 01:32
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So we're consigned to dancing with a convenient devil again? Did we really learn nothing from cosying up to Saddam?

He's definitely one of the 'cork' leaders. Any power vacuum in Turkey could be catastrophic at this point in time, but...he must not be excused for his actions against his own people or neighbours.

This is one hell of a diplomatic tight rope walk.
Sadly, the tradition goes a lot farther back than Saddam.

And yes, nobody wants a power vacuum. Reuters is reporting 50000 people purged... if the numbers keep going up there won't be all that many people around to run the damned place.

The only positive note, as yet, is that he hasn't actually begun executing people yet.
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Sadly, the tradition goes a lot farther back than Saddam.

And yes, nobody wants a power vacuum. Reuters is reporting 50000 people purged... if the numbers keep going up there won't be all that many people around to run the damned place.

The only positive note, as yet, is that he hasn't actually begun executing people yet.
I'm thinking that the large amount of suspended people is more of a message than anything.
I assume a larger part of those will be re-instated (perhaps with less pay and less responsibilities). The message is clear: "Align or you'll be culled. And next time... well, there better be no next time!".

Machiavelli writes: "It's better to be feared than to be loved".

As for the executions - I'd give it a 50% chance that those are coming, too.
I'd say everybody in the military above a certain rank could be at risk.
After all, treason is treason. It seems that Vermont still has capital punishment for treason. So, easy to brush-off international protests on that one.

Again, it's more about the message. And there was so much talk about the death-penalty already that I'm wondering how they can walk back on it without looking like cowards.

My co-worker's sister was actually on one of those bridges when the trucks started rolling up and blocking it.
He says, most people feared a coup above everything (because their parents told them how bad they were in the past), Erdogan is perceived as the lesser evil and they are literally too stupid to comprehend what is going on right now.
State-propaganda doing its thing for that, too, obviously.

Even we in the West didn't get any of the freedoms back that were "temporarily" suspended after 9/11. Nor did any government relinquish any of its additional powers it acquired in the process. How can anybody be so delusional as to think there will be "business as usual" next year in Turkey?

Above all, I feel really, really sorry for all those who in the tourism-industry. They probably didn't even vote for the guy, yet are the first to feel the backlash.
The season is essentially done. First no Russians, now Europeans are cancelling en-masse.
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If death penalty is reinstated, they will have to hang Abdullah Ocalan as he was sentenced to death until they abolished it.

Now if that happens, what they think is now war with PKK will be just afternoon tea compared to what will come.
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I see another Islamic republic in the making.
My thoughts exactly.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Rumor is that the whole army will be reconstructed

and he may also ask for real presidency referendum now
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Rumor is that the whole army will be reconstructed
Reconstructed in the sense of eliminating those "elements" who would oppose to Turkey becoming an islamic republic?
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Reconstructed in the sense of eliminating those "elements" who would oppose to Turkey becoming an islamic republic?
Yeap, right on the button greenmount.
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