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You would nuke Turkey?
Few years more with Erdogan and the West will have to bring the democracy there too

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Old 21.07.2016, 09:29
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Seems the 14 naval ships are still missing; maybe they should give them to Israel
Here's those ships moored up at Gölcük Naval base:



https://twitter.com/metesohtaoglu/st...72525761675264
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shouldn't those be deported from Turkey instead of held in the country?
or are they gonna be detained as well (how many jails has Erdogan built over the years?!)


addition: The Turkish military must be very weak at the moment, who would defend the country against a foreign take-over?
Exactly. Deport them to Texas et al, and ship the creationists to Turkey in return.
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Few years more with Erdogan and the West will have to bring the democracy there too


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Do you realise how mental you sound?
Castro, you were right, and he's so lucky this is an internet forum. Face to face, this conversation would get very messy very fast.
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Old 21.07.2016, 14:11
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*KURTULMUS: TURKEY TO SUSPEND EUROPEAN HUMAN RIGHTS CONVENTION
*TURKEY'S CNNTURK CITES DEPUTY PM NUMAN KURTULMUS AS SAYING
Combined with the start of 'State of Emergency', outlook does not seem very rosy
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Castro, you were right, and he's so lucky this is an internet forum. Face to face, this conversation would get very messy very fast.
I think I'm missing something. I read idefix's comment as a sarcastic reply. Shall EF shoot/ban him/her for it?
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Old 21.07.2016, 14:24
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I think I'm missing something. I read idefix's comment as a sarcastic reply. Shall EF shoot/ban him/her for it?
No, I think this calls for the EF ritual of the midnight circle either that or the handbags at dawn duel.
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Old 21.07.2016, 14:29
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shouldn't those be deported from Turkey instead of held in the country?
or are they gonna be detained as well (how many jails has Erdogan built over the years?!)


addition: The Turkish military must be very weak at the moment, who would defend the country against a foreign take-over?
Never mind a foreign take-over; if the Kurds were really such a terrorist threat as claimed by Erdogan then they would now be seriously mobilising in Turkey.....

Or taking the chance to strongly move west of the Euphrates River in northern Syria along the Turkish border to connect their three cantons.

In any Western Europe country Erdogan would have been committed to an old people's home; trouble is he could followed by someone worse
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Old 21.07.2016, 14:30
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Castro, you were right, and he's so lucky this is an internet forum. Face to face, this conversation would get very messy very fast.
do you realize how mental you sound?
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I think I'm missing something. I read idefix's comment as a sarcastic reply. Shall EF shoot/ban him/her for it?
You're not missing anything. The original comment was open to interpretation. I requested clarification, the answer to which, is still open to interpretation.

To clarify my position, my OH is already having conversations about how to get his family out of the region quick smart if the situation deteriorates rapidly.
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do you realize how mental you sound?
Wary, angry, cautious. Just to clarify for you....
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No, I think this calls for the EF ritual of the midnight circle either that or the handbags at dawn duel.
My vote goes for the handbags.
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Old 21.07.2016, 14:49
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Turkey blocks access to WikiLeaks after Erdoğan party emails go online. Nearly 300,000 emails from ruling party posted online ‘in response to government’s post-coup purges’

For our Turkish reading readers click here actually a lot of the material is in English.
According to one email "Turkey’s AKP provided Massoud Barzani with $200 million" the AKP provided Barzani with the sum due to the temporary halt of Iraqi Kurdistan’s oil flow following the re-activation of the Kirkuk-Yumurtalik oil pipeline, which was stalled for 24 days.

Masoud Barzani is an Iraqi Kurdish politician who has been President of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region since 2005.

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Sorry, link made again

Seems Erdogan is somehow dependent on some Kurd factions.

What next from Wikileaks?

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I think I'm missing something. I read idefix's comment as a sarcastic reply. Shall EF shoot/ban him/her for it?
Sadly, I don't think he's meant them sarcastically.
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Old 21.07.2016, 15:45
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

which would perfectly explain the absence of daily PKK attacks.
Now we need the email detailing the payment for ISIS for the same purpose

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According to one email "Turkey’s AKP provided Massoud Barzani with $200 million" the AKP provided Barzani with the sum due to the temporary halt of Iraqi Kurdistan’s oil flow following the re-activation of the Kirkuk-Yumurtalik oil pipeline, which was stalled for 24 days.

Masoud Barzani is an Iraqi Kurdish politician who has been President of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region since 2005.

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Sorry, link made again

Seems Erdogan is somehow dependent on some Kurd factions.

What next from Wikileaks?
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Exactly. Deport them to Texas et al, and ship the creationists to Turkey in return.
LOL, well I don't know too much about Texas, my post was about me wondering why Turkey would stop what marton called "Some damn people still teach secular based education; evolution, science and such crap" from leaving Turkey as it's not logic.
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Old 22.07.2016, 01:51
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Erdogan and his AKP party are suspending the European Convention on Human Rights

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=338

Good luck to Turkey, we'll see you in few years:

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Erdogan and his AKP party are suspending the European Convention on Human Rights

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=338

Good luck to Turkey, we'll see you in few years:
This was my initial reaction too but then I read that France also did the same, hence probably I was too prejudiced in this case
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Nice article, sorry bit long:

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Turkish commentary ridicules "principled foreign policy" - BBC Monitoring Service
22-Jul-2016 10:39:22
Text of report in English by website of Turkish pro-secular, mass-circulation daily Hurriyet on 22 July
[Burak Bekdil: "Gulen's effect on Turkey's foreign policy"]

On Nov. 24, 2015, the Turkish Armed Forces shot down a Russian military aircraft that had violated Turkish airspace along the country's Syrian border.

After the incident, then prime minister Ahmet Davutoglu said:
1) "We want everyone to know that we take every necessary measure when our [country's] existence and the lives and honour of our citizens are at stake."
2) "It is our international right and national duty to take every measure against the violators of our air and land borders."
3) "The Russian aircraft was shot down in line with our rules of engagement."
4) "The [order to shoot down any violator of our air space] was given to the [military] General Staff by myself."
5) "Seventy eight million [Turks] are happy about and proud of the Armed Forces' move [to shoot down the Russian aircraft]."
6) "We warned the Russians ... We could not have let them massacre the Turkmens by violating our air space ... The [Russian] aircraft was shot within Turkish airspace."

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said after the incident:
1) "What business do you [Russians] have there [in Syria]?"
2) "If the same [airspace] violation occurs again, Turkey will respond in the same way."
3) "Those who violated our airspace will have to apologize to us ... I find it difficult to accept that Turkey is expected to take the first step [for entente with Russia]." (That was about a month before President Erdogan apologized - or expressed "regret" - to Russian President Vladimir Putin over the incident).
4) "It is curious how Russia could give up on Turkey only because of a [Russian] pilot's mistake."
5) "If there is someone who should apologize it is not us ... Those who violated our airspace should apologize to us."
6) "The incident is only about the automatic functioning of our [military] rules of engagement. Everyone must respect our sovereignty rights."
7) "Everyone must respect Turkey's right to protect its borders."

Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said:
"We don't need to apologize for an incident where we are right."
Nice.


And now, this story appeared in our newspaper after the coup of July 15:
"Two Turkish pilots who played a role in the downing of a Russian jet in November are in custody over the failed July 15 coup in Turkey, an official said late on June 18.
"The downing of the Russian fighter jet on the Syrian border sparked an unprecedented diplomatic crisis between Turkey and Russia, which ended last month when the two countries agreed to restore ties.
"'Two pilots who were part of the operation to down the Russian Su-24 in November 2015 are in custody,' a Turkish official told journalists, adding that they were detained over links to the coup bid."
President Erdogan, meanwhile, suggested that "these pilots may have links to Pennsylvania [the Gulenist headquarters]. They are being investigated."
In Turkish politics, this whole thing is called "our principled foreign policy."
It was not in vain that President Erdogan last month disowned his once fierce support for the Mavi Marmara flotilla and slammed the organizers, who he once viewed as heroes and innocent activists.
It seems that the days when "terrorist groups" are accused of pitting Mr. Erdogan's Turkey and Bashar al-Assad's Syria against each other are not too far away.
Source: Hurriyet website in English 22 Jul 16
Copyright © 2016 BBC Monitoring Service
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Apparently Erdogan has plenty of supporters in Germany and Austria.




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