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They can say they will take actions against Gülen supporters but they are not in any way in power to do so in Switzerland.
Until it comes to passport renewal. Some 10'000 passports have been voided already just a few days ago.

Reportedly academics working abroad have been ordered to return. I don't think it will be taken positively if you refuse.

I would think most people living abroad return every once in a while. In Turkey you're completely subject to Turkish law.

And there are already calls to denounce online content, and calls to demonstrate abroad such as Erdogan did already. It's only a small step to ask for physical action like violence or arson.
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Old 25.07.2016, 12:00
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Until it comes to passport renewal. Some 10'000 passports have been voided already just a few days ago.

Reportedly academics working abroad have been ordered to return. I don't think it will be taken positively if you refuse.

I would think most people living abroad return every once in a while. In Turkey you're completely subject to Turkish law.

And there are already calls to denounce online content, and calls to demonstrate abroad such as Erdogan did already. It's only a small step to ask for physical action like violence or arson.
"calls to demonstrate abroad such as Erdogan did already." I am not a great believer in the "send people home" strategy but if people start to demonstrate in Western Europe to support politics in their home country then I might be tempted

Seems Erdogan is willing to run the risk that Turkish demonstrators in foreign countries will be treated like Erdogan treats peaceful demonstrators at home; water cannon, tear gas, live bullets

There was an article in Tagesanzeiger where Swiss politicians with Turkish roots said they do not (or will not) criticise Erdogan for fear that friends or relatives in Turkey will be victimised. Source (German Language)
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Old 25.07.2016, 12:44
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"calls to demonstrate abroad such as Erdogan did already." I am not a great believer in the "send people home" strategy but if people start to demonstrate in Western Europe to support politics in their home country then I might be tempted
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Erdogan is willing to run the risk that Turkish demonstrators in foreign countries will be treated like Erdogan treats peaceful demonstrators at home; water cannon, tear gas, live bullets
Except for the live bullets I have no problems with that. Actually I think that's what should happen unless the protests have been allowed beforehand; it must be made clear that shit like this clash last year has no place here regardless of the nationalities involved.
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There was an article in Tagesanzeiger where Swiss politicians with Turkish roots said they do not (or will not) criticise Erdogan for fear that friends or relatives in Turkey will be victimised. Source (German Language)
Understandable reaction, and probably wise. Another sign that Slaphead's post/view is rather simplistic.
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Old 25.07.2016, 13:20
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

by the way, with all the thread title editing lately...

isnt it time to change this thread title? this thread is about a pivotal event in world history. but it looks like someone is asking where the hippest party is at.
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Old 25.07.2016, 14:31
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This is not turkey, what can they do?
I don't believe they would do something (physically) but it's enough to intimidate people so those who would protest against what's going on now in Turkey would think 10 times before doing anything. Silence them totally.
Terror, intimidation...always work.
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Old 25.07.2016, 15:13
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Until it comes to passport renewal. Some 10'000 passports have been voided already just a few days ago...
So then it's as I suspected a few posts back.

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I don't know. Maybe they can refuse to help Turkish citizens do basic things like renew passports or request important documents needed for life here...
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Old 25.07.2016, 16:30
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I don't believe they would do something (physically) but it's enough to intimidate people so those who would protest against what's going on now in Turkey would think 10 times before doing anything. Silence them totally.
Terror, intimidation...always work.
You need to re-think, check the link in #263, the video in the article. Kurds vs Turks last september in Bern.

Mind that the video has been cut so that it says completely the opposite of what actually happened. Here's the complete video, enough phsyical violence to show the extent of the ... animosities.

A violent incident with the possibility of people killed. With recent events in Turkey similar things may happen again.
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Old 25.07.2016, 23:38
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Turkish authorities have issued arrest warrants for 42 journalists as part of an inquiry into alleged plotters of the failed coup, drawing harsh criticism from human rights groups.

Fine example that the pen is mightier than the sword
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Old 26.07.2016, 00:45
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I wonder if Turkey could undo its economic development and join the pack of Arab-league underdevelopment where lack of liberty, patriarchal society, women oppression, lack of education and no accountability of administration leads to stagnation for most of the society.
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Old 26.07.2016, 01:08
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I wonder if Turkey could undo its economic development and join the pack of Arab-league underdevelopment where lack of liberty, patriarchal society, women oppression, lack of education and no accountability of administration leads to stagnation for most of the society.
They already have
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Old 28.07.2016, 11:08
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

From today's Guardian
"More than 15,000 people have been detained for suspected links to the coup and at least 8,000 remain in custody, according to the interior ministry.

Tens of thousands more have been purged from state institutions and the state-run Anadolu news agency said that close to 1,700 officers have been formally discharged from the military following the country’s failed coup. The government has shut down dozens of media organisations, including 45 newspapers and 16 television stations.

More than 10,000 soldiers and around half of the 358 generals have been detained, leaving gaping holes in the command structure to be filled."

Huge numbers; hard to believe so many were involved in the coup.
Incredible how much of the media has been closed down; luckily there is now the social media phenomenon which has the ability to give people an alternate view.

The numbers quoted lack internal consistency; only to be expected I suppose.

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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Erdogan will personally lead the secret services and military.

Furthermore, the assets (real estate, bank accounts, vehicles) of some 3000 judges and general prosecutors have been seized based on allegated relations with Gülen organisations. Of course the individuals had already been suspended.

Sultan Erdowahn I
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Old 29.07.2016, 13:27
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Erdogan will personally lead the secret services and military.

Furthermore, the assets (real estate, bank accounts, vehicles) of some 3000 judges and general prosecutors have been seized based on allegated relations with Gülen organisations. Of course the individuals had already been suspended.

Sultan Erdowahn I
Unbelievable seems to be an inadequate comment!

I wonder which Turkish law in which Turkish court allows seizure of assets simply because it is claimed you are somehow linked to a legitimate organisation?
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Unbelievable seems to be an inadequate comment!

I wonder which Turkish law in which Turkish court allows seizure of assets simply because it is claimed you are somehow linked to a legitimate organisation?
Hasn't Russia done more or less the same semi-recently, in an effort to limit the influence of foreign organizations?
It actually hampered the work of "foreign agents" (that's what organizations partlyor fully financed by persons outside Russia have to be labeled) like the Goethe-institute and the various branches of "foundations" of German political parties in Russia (Konrad Adenauer Stiftung etc.pp.).

Erdogan probalby just reads newspapers. He said to himself: "Hey, if the US can get away with it and Russia can get away with it - I bloody welll shoud get away with it, too".

Of course, it's a slippery slope....

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Unbelievable seems to be an inadequate comment!

I wonder which Turkish law in which Turkish court allows seizure of assets simply because it is claimed you are somehow linked to a legitimate organisation?
Under emergency laws (Ausnahmezustand) Erdowahn reigns by decree. We've seen in recent weeks what that empowers him with.

The decrees can't be challenged or in any way fought against thus he is the law as long as the state of emergency is effective; and he will make sure that once it is lifted he no longer needs those special powers because he's made them permanent.

All hail and bow to Sultan Erdowahn I.
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Turkey demands Germany extradite Gülen supporters
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Old 29.07.2016, 15:20
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Turkey will have to deal with the dual criminality rule; Germany will only deport people who committed crimes that are also crimes under German law.

So as belonging to the Gulen group is not a crime in Germany; Turkey will have to find and prove other grounds before Germany will deport them.
Anyway if Turkey does introduce the death penalty then the people involved in Germany can appeal to the ECHJ!
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Turkey will have to deal with the dual criminality rule; Germany will only deport people who committed crimes that are also crimes under German law.

So as belonging to the Gulen group is not a crime in Germany; Turkey will have to find and prove other grounds before Germany will deport them.
Anyway if Turkey does introduce the death penalty then the people involved in Germany can appeal to the ECHJ!

It could really be just a bargain chip that Erdogan has found himself comfortably handed by Germany and the EU.
If indeed they would introduce the death-penalty, a lot of Turks would claim asylum in Germany.
That is a situation the EU doesn't want to get into. I would even say "at almost any cost".
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Huge pro-Erdogan rally planned in Cologne on Sunday. This will be fun.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160729/ensi...o-erdogan-demo
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Old 29.07.2016, 17:38
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Huge pro-Erdogan rally planned in Cologne on Sunday. This will be fun.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160729/ensi...o-erdogan-demo
The state premier of the Cologne region, Hannelore Kraft, told Turkish immigrants: "Do not import a domestic political conflict to the region where you have chosen to live."

I completely agree with Herr Kraft. As mentioned before I do not usually support the "send them home" strategy but in the case of people who are living in a country and start demonstrating about domestic political conflicts I could be tempted.
There is clearly an integration issue here.

"Erdogan Urges Turks Not to Assimilate: 'You Are Part of Germany, But Also Part of Our Great Turkey'" Source (February 2011)
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