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Old 29.07.2016, 17:46
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The state premier of the Cologne region, Hannelore Kraft, told Turkish immigrants: "Do not import a domestic political conflict to the region where you have chosen to live."

I completely agree with Herr Kraft. As mentioned before I do not usually support the "send them home" strategy but in the case of people who are living in a country and start demonstrating about domestic political conflicts I could be tempted.
There is clearly an integration issue here.
Demonstrating is fine by me. Signs, speakers, a bit of shouting, possibly a march past an embassy or such to some suitable gathering place. With applicable permits etc.

I somehow doubt that this will be a peaceful protest though.
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Old 29.07.2016, 17:52
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The state premier of the Cologne region, Hannelore Kraft, told Turkish immigrants: "Do not import a domestic political conflict to the region where you have chosen to live."

I completely agree with Herr Kraft. As mentioned before I do not usually support the "send them home" strategy but in the case of people who are living in a country and start demonstrating about domestic political conflicts I could be tempted.
There is clearly an integration issue here.

"Erdogan Urges Turks Not to Assimilate: 'You Are Part of Germany, But Also Part of Our Great Turkey'" Source (February 2011)
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Demonstrating is fine by me. Signs, speakers, a bit of shouting, possibly a march past an embassy or such to some suitable gathering place. With applicable permits etc.

I somehow doubt that this will be a peaceful protest though.
The key words here are "domestic political conflict".
Of course if they march quietly, drink some non-alcoholic beer and grill some non-pork sausages then that is fine with me.
My fear is it will get violent; from the newspaper link "Pro-Erdogan activists have stormed [German] locations popular with followers of US-based preacher Fethullah Gülen"
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I completely agree with Herr Kraft.
Hannelore is a name for females
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Old 29.07.2016, 18:00
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Hannelore is a name for females
Oooppsss!

I will go and stand in the naughty corner!
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Yeah, Bern last november with perhaps a hundred on each side already didn't look nice. I wouldn't want to know what the same a hundred times bigger looks like.

Let's just hope that 2k police are enough to keep things under control.
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Old 29.07.2016, 18:10
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Yeah, Bern last november with perhaps a hundred on each side already didn't look nice. I wouldn't want to know what the same a hundred times bigger looks like.

Let's just hope that 2k police are enough to keep things under control.
I would think more than 100x bigger. And a few Neonazis, Antifaschists, and concerned citizens mixed in.

Not a nice time to be a copper in Köln, methinks.
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Old 29.07.2016, 18:20
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The key words here are "domestic political conflict".
Of course if they march quietly, drink some non-alcoholic beer and grill some non-pork sausages then that is fine with me.
My fear is it will get violent; from the newspaper link "Pro-Erdogan activists have stormed [German] locations popular with followers of US-based preacher Fethullah Gülen"
yeah but, on the other hand, statistically speaking youre much more likely to die in a random shootout in the US. why fear for some potential property damage?
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Old 29.07.2016, 22:46
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yeah but, on the other hand, statistically speaking youre much more likely to die in a random shootout in the US. why fear for some potential property damage?
Random shootings in the US and random terrorist acts in Europe are not preventable if you do not know when they will happen.

We know the planned date and location of this demonstration so it is preventable; completely different situation!
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Old 30.07.2016, 00:02
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Random shootings in the US and random terrorist acts in Europe are not preventable if you do not know when they will happen.

We know the planned date and location of this demonstration so it is preventable; completely different situation!
im not sure the guy living at that location fully agrees. at best he can get out of dodge himself but his house may get torched still.

random shootings and terror attacks are also preventable in that sense, since you can simply hide in a bunker for the rest of your life.

if that is not acceptable then we could talk about other ways of preventing shootings and attacks.

saying that you should not care about attacks because shootings happen more often is indeed a good way of shutting down a discussion. the next step would be to state we are all gonna die anyway so what does anything matter.

imagine telling an alzheimers disease researcher he should focus on cancer instead. you would actually be right, but not really.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Just been varifying an old quote / poem attributed to Erdogan...

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"Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers."
...and found this piece on him from 2002 that might interest some people who aren't overly familiar with him.

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Recep Tayyip Erdogan, leader of the Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi, or AK) is one of Turkey's most popular politicians.

When his party swept to power in November 2002, he was unable to become prime minister because he was banned from holding political office.



But a speedy change in the law cleared the way for him to run for parliament - and within days of his victory he had been named as prime minister.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2270642.stm
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Old 30.07.2016, 14:34
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Just been varifying an old quote / poem attributed to Erdogan...



...and found this piece on him from 2002 that might interest some people who aren't overly familiar with him.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2270642.stm
He went to prison for that. It shows the level of corruption in the entire Turkish system...
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Old 30.07.2016, 22:22
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Rough translation; you see he is a Gulen supporter by the way he cuts the kebab.
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Old 31.07.2016, 02:08
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Greek authorities on a number of Aegean islands have called for emergency measures to curtail an increasing flow of refugees from Turkey, which Athens attribute to the impact of the attempted coup in that country.

Since the failed 15 June putsch, the number of Europe-bound migrants willing to make the perilous journey across the Aegean has increased noticeably, with the Greek government announcing that as of yesterday some 9,420 men, women and children had been registered on Lesbos and other islands.

Wonder how many are Turkish?

Rearrange the following words into a well known phrase or saying. "unravelling is Deal quickly"

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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

2 more of the terrorist cell that carried out the Paris attacks arrested.

Both came through Greece as refugees - Algerian & Pakistani.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36928950

What I don't understand is if the authorities knew that their "Syrian passports" were false why not ship them back to Turkey??

Truly a disaster.
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2 more of the terrorist cell that carried out the Paris attacks arrested.

Both came through Greece as refugees - Algerian & Pakistani.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36928950

What I don't understand is if the authorities knew that their "Syrian passports" were false why not ship them back to Turkey??

Truly a disaster.
Wrong thread, this is about the fail coup.
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2 more of the terrorist cell that carried out the Paris attacks arrested.

Both came through Greece as refugees - Algerian & Pakistani.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36928950

What I don't understand is if the authorities knew that their "Syrian passports" were false why not ship them back to Turkey??

Truly a disaster.

proof that they ever departed from Turkey ?
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proof that they ever departed from Turkey ?
Where do you think that they entered Greece from posing as refugees??
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Old 31.07.2016, 21:23
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Seems the rally in Cologne went off quite quietly so far; police estimates of 40,000 people plus a few hundred in opposition.

Germany did not allow a live speech planned by Erdogan that was to be over TV or video.
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we planned to fly tomorrow.
i think we need to look for an alternative destination.
in the end, we just travelled
of course it was a bit weird to fly to a country right after a coup attempt but the region we planned to go (Izmir) was said to be safe and that indeed turned out to be the case. we spent one night in the city but also there it was like business as usual, apart from the nightly demonstrations that were noisy but peaceful.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

This really isn't good....

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In his third presidential decree since the failed coup plot, Mr Erdogan seeks to extend his power over Turkey's armed forces.
http://news.sky.com/story/turkey-erd...itary-10518487
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