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Old 18.08.2016, 12:26
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I always had the impression that Erdogan is Turkey's law
Unfortunately you are correct for the last 10 years period,but Turkey was there before him and hopefully will remain even after he is gone one day.
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Old 18.08.2016, 12:35
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Turkey just announced they will release 38,000 prisoners to make room for coup plotters! You could not invent this stuff
So that's his solution for the problem I was wondering a month ago .....
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Old 18.08.2016, 12:36
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It is not my credibility as I am not conveying anything subjective. I merely share to you the facts but you keep ignoring it. You can take any of the hundreds of examples.

I am not here to win or lose but get the record straight and again your comment clearly shows what you are after.

You fail to prove any point with facts but still trying argue. Thats is an indication of lack of intelligence. No wonder you are confused.
I checked the database and found no examples; you also did not find any examples? You are bluffing

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Old 18.08.2016, 13:04
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I checked the database and found no examples; you also did not find any examples? You are bluffing

Case closed
here is one example a new law made by the government was overturned by the application of the main opposition party. (sorry not in english)
http://www.kararlaryeni.anayasa.gov....ordsOnly=False

This is is a good one(in English). The court has cancelled the ba of Youtube

http://www.constitutionalcourt.gov.t.../2014-4705.pdf

Decision protecting the right to defend in Kurdish language: http://www.constitutionalcourt.gov.t.../2013-6154.pdf

I am not saying the law works good in Turkey (oh, god no). There are many instances the justice system has failed. However, this particular example on child abuse is not one of them. That is my point.

Here is an example on how the system fails. Court allowing religious marriage before state one: http://constitutionalcourt.gov.tr/in...nt/2015-51.pdf
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Old 18.08.2016, 13:46
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So that's his solution for the problem I was wondering a month ago .....
Ever heard the expression "sometimes the cure is worse than the disease"!
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Old 18.08.2016, 13:57
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

and people wonder why EU doesnt want to grant visa freedom to Turkey..
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Old 18.08.2016, 15:59
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

while we focus on these topics, the terrorist attacks by the PKK is still ongoing

"Turkey car bombs: Police station attacks kill six and injure 219"

This is the last of the many attacks took place after the coup attempt.

Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tu...-idUSKCN10T0LA
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Old 18.08.2016, 16:22
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while we focus on these topics, the terrorist attacks by the PKK is still ongoing

"Turkey car bombs: Police station attacks kill six and injure 219"

This is the last of the many attacks took place after the coup attempt.

Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tu...-idUSKCN10T0LA
July 2015; ""It is not possible for us to continue the peace process with those who threaten our national unity and brotherhood," Erdogan told a news conference in Ankara ".

Aug 2015; "Erdogan vows to continue offensive until PKK's end
Turkish president says campaign against Kurdish fighters will persist until "not one single terrorist remains".".

Sooner or later Erdogan will have to face the fact that warfare to eradicate terrorists does not work; it is a year now since he promised to wipe out the PKK and the situation today is little better, maybe even worse

Sooner or later Erdogan will have to return to the peace negotiating table; hopefully before many more people die.
Now he has jailed around half of the senior military officers then one wonders how this will impact the efficiency of anti-terrorist operations?
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Old 18.08.2016, 16:35
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July 2015; ""It is not possible for us to continue the peace process with those who threaten our national unity and brotherhood," Erdogan told a news conference in Ankara ".

Aug 2015; "Erdogan vows to continue offensive until PKK's end
Turkish president says campaign against Kurdish fighters will persist until "not one single terrorist remains".".

Sooner or later Erdogan will have to face the fact that warfare to eradicate terrorists does not work; it is a year now since he promised to wipe out the PKK and the situation today is little better, maybe even worse

Sooner or later Erdogan will have to return to the peace negotiating table; hopefully before many more people die.
Now he has jailed around half of the senior military officers then one wonders how this will impact the efficiency of anti-terrorist operations?
I have always been against the peace talks, not because I dont want peace but simply do not believe this is the way. I will not negotiate with anyone who is responsible for such cruelty. Negotiation simply means that violence is a legit way to get what you want.

Turkey needs to make a new constitution based on human rights,democracy and equality first. This should cut the public support to PKK cause no group can survive without public support.

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Old 18.08.2016, 17:05
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I have always been against the peace talks, not because I dont want peace but simply do not believe this is the way. I will negotiate with anyone who is responsible for such cruelty. Negotiation simply means that violence is a legit way to get what you want.

Turkey needs to make a new constitution based on human rights,democracy and equality first. This should cut the public support to PKK cause no group can survive without public support.
Good to have principles but fighting terrorism this way means that every time you kill a terrorist then you encourage one or more people in his family or friends to become a terrorist in revenge. It becomes a never ending story.

Eventually the British had to negotiate with the IRA .....
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Old 18.08.2016, 17:20
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Good to have principles but fighting terrorism this way means that every time you kill a terrorist then you encourage one or more people in his family or friends to become a terrorist in revenge. It becomes a never ending story.

Eventually the British had to negotiate with the IRA .....
agreed but I am not suggesting to continue having deaths on both sides, simply try to address the root causes.

Noone one in their right mind would go to mountains, live like shit and risk their life if they would have had a better alternative. I dont think it is because of freedom or independence otherwise there wouldnt be any PKK members in Europe enjoying good life. I think it is because their life in the city sucks too.

Turkey as a state has made many mistakes against its own people. We have never got rid of the nationalistic reflexes from the fall of Ottoman Empire.

However, Kurds have made many mistakes too. I personally do not respect their fight cause they havent rebelled against their feodal leaders. They havent questioned the tribalism in the region. They havent protested to their rich who did not invest in the region but opened factories in Istanbul only.

It is easy to blame the state. Look at the Catalans in Spain, they have proven themselves with their economy, success in sports,etc. In my book they deserve to be respected.
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Old 19.08.2016, 18:49
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

The nukes are leaving Turkey.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/glob...ey-to-romania/
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Old 19.08.2016, 19:06
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agreed but I am not suggesting to continue having deaths on both sides, simply try to address the root causes.
That doesn't happen without verbal communication aka negotiations. If one side stops unilaterally the other will gladly seize the opportunity.

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Noone one in their right mind would go to mountains, live like shit and risk their life if they would have had a better alternative. I dont think it is because of freedom or independence otherwise there wouldnt be any PKK members in Europe enjoying good life. I think it is because their life in the city sucks too.
If that was true there would be zero western europeans fighting for Daesh or the Kurds.
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Old 20.08.2016, 18:34
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Ratings agency Fitch affirmed its sovereign rating on Turkey at 'BBB-', the lowest investment grade, on Friday but lowered its outlook to negative from stable in a review after last month's attempted military coup.

Moody's said on July 18 it was putting Turkey's credit rating on review for a possible downgrade to junk status.

Standard & Poor's cut its unsolicited rating on Turkey further into junk territory last month.

If the economy does not improve soon then foreign money will start to fly away

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Old 20.08.2016, 20:17
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Israel and Turkey Officially Announce Rapprochement Deal, Ending Diplomatic Crisis, Turkish parliament approved the deal today.
Netanyahu says agreement creates stability in face of Mideast turmoil; Gaza blockade to remain, but Turkish aid to Gaza to be permitted through Israel.

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Seems to be a complete climb down by Turkey; relations with Israel broke down due to the Israeli raid on the flotilla organized by the Free Gaza Movement and the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (İHH). That was carrying humanitarian aid and construction materials, with the intention of breaking the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip.

"Turkish aid to Gaza to be permitted through Israel." that is not new; such aid was always allowed in the past (not direct to Gaza) so the Israelis could control the content.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

A good move to get them out of Turkey - but moving them to Romania is the US misusing a difficult situation here in Europe. Not that I'm surprised .....
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

On SRF an analyst said once the Gulen movement worked in the past with CIA. However, I cannot find any mainstream/credible sources for this "fact".
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On SRF an analyst said once the Gulen movement worked in the past with CIA. However, I cannot find any mainstream/credible sources for this "fact".
Interesting. Compare these two wikipedia pages. One might think that the only difference would be the language they are written in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen-Bewegung
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

The US has confirmed it has received a formal extradition request from Ankara for the Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen, but not over the July coup attempt the Turkish authorities has accused Gülen of orchestrating.

So it looks like Turkey has no evidence linking Gulen to the failed coup! They are trying to extradite him for something else?
If it is not linked to terrorism then Gulen has enough money and lawyers to delay this for the rest of his natural life?

Amazing they claim he organised the coup but failed to provide evidence, what a bunch of ##@#&-#
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Interesting. Compare these two wikipedia pages. One might think that the only difference would be the language they are written in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen_movement

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BClen-Bewegung
Something lost in the translation maybe
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