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Old 12.10.2016, 12:10
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Turkey is being ruled by a schizophrenic narcissist and he is playing with its people like a cat plays with the mouse. Don't expect to make sense of what comes out of Turkey, it won't.
He is on the wires now;
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*ERDOGAN ASKS WHETHER S&P KNOWS TURKEY'S LOCATION ON MAP
*ERDOGAN: TURKEY EXPELLED 3,456 PROSECUTORS, JUDGES SO FAR
*ERDOGAN: WHY IS U.S. NOT EXTRADITING THIS TERRORIST TO TURKEY?
and the appointed prime minister just announced that they will push ahead with the so-called presidential system which effectively ends the parliamentary system (to be honest, current system is also a de-facto one man government)

akp successfuly rewound 90+ years of parliamentary system.
I pointed this out a few years back in EF; then some members said how they have been impressed with the country during their couple days business trip; how vibrant it was, how successful and promising AKP was.. I wish they were right and i was wrong
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Old 12.10.2016, 12:19
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He is on the wires now;


and the appointed prime minister just announced that they will push ahead with the so-called presidential system which effectively ends the parliamentary system (to be honest, current system is also a de-facto one man government)

akp successfuly rewound 90+ years of parliamentary system.
I pointed this out a few years back in EF; then some members said how they have been impressed with the country during their couple days business trip; how vibrant it was, how successful and promising AKP was.. I wish they were right and i was wrong
Everything AKP and Erdogan did can be reversed as long as Turkey has a democratic system. A presidential system will kill the democracy and that will be the real end.

As much as I hate Erdogan, I think he is not the cause but the result. There is still 50% of the country voting for him and those people are the problem. Do you think other countries in world including Europe dont have psychos like him? Sure they do but the public is educated enough to see they are bad for them.
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Old 12.10.2016, 12:43
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He is on the wires now;


and the appointed prime minister just announced that they will push ahead with the so-called presidential system which effectively ends the parliamentary system (to be honest, current system is also a de-facto one man government)

akp successfuly rewound 90+ years of parliamentary system.
I pointed this out a few years back in EF; then some members said how they have been impressed with the country during their couple days business trip; how vibrant it was, how successful and promising AKP was.. I wish they were right and i was wrong
"they will push ahead with the so-called presidential system" so they will ignore the rules about changing the constitution; sufficient parliament majority or popular vote.
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"they will push ahead with the so-called presidential system" so they will ignore the rules about changing the constitution; sufficient parliament majority or popular vote.
and they made it appear as if the request came from the opposition.. by employing the faithful Bahceli (MHP leader) yet again
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Everything AKP and Erdogan did can be reversed as long as Turkey has a democratic system. A presidential system will kill the democracy and that will be the real end.

As much as I hate Erdogan, I think he is not the cause but the result. There is still 50% of the country voting for him and those people are the problem. Do you think other countries in world including Europe dont have psychos like him? Sure they do but the public is educated enough to see they are bad for them.
the vast majority of the population is uneducated. Tv, radios, newspapers are under the government's hand and those with education and money are close to the corrupted system.
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Old 18.10.2016, 12:07
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the vast majority of the population is uneducated. Tv, radios, newspapers are under the government's hand and those with education and money are close to the corrupted system.
and he wants to guarantee things do not change:
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ERDOGAN: TURKEY SHOULD LEAVE UNIVERSITY PRES. ELECTION SYSTEM
considering what has been done since the so-called coup attempt last July, one wonders who really initiated it
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Well , the topic of education is his biggest dilemma.

Erdogan needs economic success and happiness to stay in power.
Economic success requires education. (Turkey is stuck to limited growth)
Education reduces the votes for Erdogan.

He is trying to control but it is a big challenge for him.
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Old 30.10.2016, 15:03
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Turkey sacks 10,000 more civil servants this weekend, shuts more media in post-coup crackdown

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160 media outlets now closed
Over 100,000 people fired
37,000 arrested

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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

And the purge continues.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37868441

Why do I get the feeling that if it was Russia doing this even more sanctions would have been imposed. Yet Turkey is still allowed to carry on with no repercussions for its actions.
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Old 04.11.2016, 09:42
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And the purge continues.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37868441

Why do I get the feeling that if it was Russia doing this even more sanctions would have been imposed. Yet Turkey is still allowed to carry on with no repercussions for its actions.
Parliamentary democracy is long gone.
Turkish troops are fighting in neighbouring countries.

And this guy wants to join the EU and get automatic visas for his people?
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Parliamentary democracy is long gone.
Turkish troops are fighting in neighbouring countries.

And this guy wants to join the EU and get automatic visas for his people?
From where did you get the impression that he wants to join the EU?

The last time time change cancellation was an important move to show which part of the world he want to belong to. Now, Turkey has no time share with any of the continental Europe.

With regards to to today's events, I am not surprised really as those MPs were called for testifying but rejected very publicly and Demistas himself said it will only happen via police force. I am not saying they are guilty to not but this was expected.

Now the ironic part is that they are charged for helping PKK and supporting terrorism, which makes me wonder isn't that exactly why AKP did with Feto, more publicly, more aggressive and more extensively.

I wonder when they will be detained for those crimes..oh wait, that will never happen in state terrorism.
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And the purge continues.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37868441

Why do I get the feeling that if it was Russia doing this even more sanctions would have been imposed. Yet Turkey is still allowed to carry on with no repercussions for its actions.

Even back in the ol' days, you could get away with a lot if Uncle Sam was your friend, you were somehow fighting communism on your turf and you had Maggie Thatcher on short-dial.

Remember Augusto Pinochet?
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Why do I get the feeling that if it was Russia doing this even more sanctions would have been imposed. Yet Turkey is still allowed to carry on with no repercussions for its actions.
Russia is doing this all the time already since ever. There was maybe a brief hiccup of control and suppression before Putin came but that's long gone.
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Russia is doing this all the time already since ever. There was maybe a brief hiccup of control and suppression before Putin came but that's long gone.
Russia does many things but do they actually arrest opposition MPs?
I know they have jailed opposition leaders who were not MPs and assassination is a tool.
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Parliamentary democracy is long gone.
Turkish troops are fighting in neighbouring countries.

And this guy wants to join the EU and get automatic visas for his people?
It would be really interesting to see the reaction if Turkey got attacked:
As per NATO treaty all members would have to help Turkey (i.e. send troops). Un/Fortunately neither Iraq nor Syria will do that.

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It would be really interesting to see the reaction if Turkey got attacked:
As per NATO treaty all members would have to help Turkey (i.e. send troops). Unfortunately neither Iraq nor Syria will do that.

NATO is NATO.
I believe this scenario is what people fear the next POTUS will be "tested" with first.
It's a credible scenario for WW3. Or at least, a route by which the conflict there could spill into the "European theater". In any case, we'd have box-seats because target numero uno would be Germany....
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It would be really interesting to see the reaction if Turkey got attacked:
As per NATO treaty all members would have to help Turkey (i.e. send troops). Un/Fortunately neither Iraq nor Syria will do that.
Would be more "interesting" if the attack was by Greece (another NATO member) because they are fed up with Turkey ignoring their boundaries
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

These are completely different scenarios:
Since it's ased on the UN charter in particular article 51, which the NATO treaty explicitly refers to, the treaty is designed as a self-defense mechanism both individually and as a group.

Turkey has invaded Syriah and Iraq, in the latter it's been present for an extended period. I dont' know if there's a request by Iraqi government, but at least invading Syriah may be illegal as the Dec'15 UN resolution doesnt' contain the typically used phrase "with all means necessary" that's used to authorize full-blown military action. If Turkey's actions are illegal, the country acting in self-defense is Syriah, not Turkey. Not a case of self-defense for both Greece and Turkey.

Turkey has been occupying Northern Cyprus for about four decennials now. This is appears to be internationally accepted, though with the expectation that Cyprus should be reunited. Both Greece and Turkey are involved, as is the UK.

Turkey attacking Greece (or Greece attacking Turkey) would be an internal issue, I'm not sure NATO treaty would even apply as with two members going at each other's throats the spirit doesn't cover the situation. From the treaty preamble (bolding and insertion mine):
"They [the parties, member countries] are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty:"
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

He's at it again...

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Protests in Turkey over arrest of MPs as internet access is blocked

Protests erupt as 12 opposition politicians are held in the middle of the night and social media access is restricted.

http://news.sky.com/story/protests-i...ocked-10645029
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I'm not sure why there is so much indignation about what's going on in Turkey. My understanding is that its governance and justice were always part of a different civilization.

One case I remember is of Motorola/Nokia being stolen from by the Uzan family controlling Telsim (now Vodafone) - a multibillion theft by welthiest Turkish people.
New York Times: Motorola Wins $4 Billion in Dispute Over Loans to Turkish Family
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