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Old 07.11.2016, 02:19
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Some comments from the ft; nothing new really
"Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s clampdown on dissent has long since exceeded anything that could be justified by July’s attempt to topple Turkey’s president by force. The post-coup purge has swept up more than 100,000 government officials, depleting the ranks of the army, judiciary, schools, universities and ministries. Emergency powers have been used to stifle the media and override legal process. In the past week, however, an escalation in the assault on all forms of opposition has made the situation worse.

One target was Cumhuriyet, the country’s oldest newspaper and a bastion of secularism. The arrest of senior staff, absurdly charged with “aiding terrorism”, threatens the survival of one of the few mainstream papers still independent of the ruling AK Party.

The second target was the Kurdish political opposition. "

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Old 07.11.2016, 09:01
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I said it before and I'll say it again, the coup was staged.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Maybe, maybe not.
Was 911 staged? Or did they happen to have all that anti-terror-legislation sitting in a drawer and waiting for "Day X" to put it on the table?
Was Pearl Harbor allowed to happen, so that the US could enter the war?

The winner writes the history books. And so far, the winner is Erdogan. At least, as far as Turkey is concerned.
But the Turks will pay a high price for a couple of occasions where they got that feeling of "sticking it to da man"...
When it's all over, we'll have a lot of people claiming "We didn't know...how could we have prevented it...I only did my job....you must understand..."

We've all see and heard it before. This time, it's just going to be in color, instead of grainy black and white....
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I'm not sure why there is so much indignation about what's going on in Turkey. My understanding is that its governance and justice were always part of a different civilization.

One case I remember is of Motorola/Nokia being stolen from by the Uzan family controlling Telsim (now Vodafone) - a multibillion theft by welthiest Turkish people.
New York Times: Motorola Wins $4 Billion in Dispute Over Loans to Turkish Family
what is that supposed to mean?

You can not take one example and claim to a whole country. Keep in mind that the example you take has also happened with the influence of Erdogan during the attempts to neutralize any opposition. Uzan's party had 7% of the votes at the time and was a big treat to Erdogan.

On the other hand, till recent years, Turkey has had a reliable and fair justice systems. It surely needed improvement and modernization but it was still much better than a lot of eastern european countries.
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On the other hand, till recent years, Turkey has had a reliable and fair justice systems. It surely needed improvement and modernization but it was still much better than a lot of eastern european countries.
Sure :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ists_in_Turkey
Find me such a list for any Eastern European EU member country.
Unless you're talking about Soviet-Union republics becoming states like Ukraine.
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Sure :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ists_in_Turkey
Find me such a list for any Eastern European EU member country.
Unless you're talking about Soviet-Union republics becoming states like Ukraine.
I am reposting what I said above

"On the other hand, till recent years, Turkey has had a reliable and fair justice systems. It surely needed improvement and modernization but it was still much better than a lot of eastern european countries."

No one is claiming this is still case. Turkey is going down and hence the indignation as you said you dont understand the reason thereof.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_...res_by_country

as you can see it has deteriorated so much in the last 14 years of Erdogan reign.

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as you can see it has deteriorated so much in the last 14 years of Erdogan reign.
The way I interpret the table, freedom of press improved during his first half until it topped out during 2005-2008.
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Old 07.11.2016, 16:56
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The way I interpret the table, freedom of press improved during his first half until it topped out during 2005-2008.
it got worse, then slight improvement in 2005-06, the period with EU discussions.(october 2005 I believe)

Then it went down the drain. In 2009, Cyprus blocked negotiations and it gave Erdogan the excuse to implement his totalitarian governance.

The EU prospect was a good anchor and safety for Turkish liberals.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

and there I was thinking we had hit a bottom with the latest arrests..
but the government is busy making new lows
big thumbs up to all AKP supporters, hope you have now achieved all you had aspired for your whole life

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*BOZDAG: UNDERAGE MARRIAGE IS UNFORTUNATELY A FACT IN TURKEY
*BOZDAG: SOME UNDERAGE, NON-LEGAL MARRIAGES W/ MINORS' CONSENT
*BOZDAG SAYS TURKEY LAW TO APPLY TO ABOUT 3,000 RAPE CONVICTS
*BOZDAG: SAYING RAPISTS WILL BENEFIT FROM LAW IS A DISTORTION
*BOZDAG: THOSE TO BENEFIT FROM LAW `VICTIMS OF THEIR FAMILIES'
*BOZDAG SAYS TURKEY REGULATION AIMS TO END `FAMILY TRAGEDIES'
if you had missed today's news, the government is bringing new legislation to free rapists
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Old 18.11.2016, 10:43
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

These are the days I am ashamed of my country...
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Old 18.11.2016, 10:58
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and there I was thinking we had hit a bottom with the latest arrests..
but the government is busy making new lows
big thumbs up to all AKP supporters, hope you have now achieved all you had aspired for your whole life



if you had missed today's news, the government is bringing new legislation to free rapists
Busy guy!
Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ recently met with US Attorney General Loretta Lynch and told her the prosecution of Turkish-Iranian businessman Reza Zarrab was “based on no evidence”.

Prosecutors charged him with conspiring to violate U.S. sanctions and help Iranian entities conduct hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of financial transactions through U.S. banks.

Local US prosecutors in 2013 charged him with bribing Turkish ministers with ties to then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, charges which were later dropped for unknown reasons.

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Old 18.11.2016, 11:02
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Busy guy!
Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdağ recently met with US Attorney General Loretta Lynch and told her the prosecution of Turkish-Iranian businessman Reza Zarrab was “based on no evidence”.

Prosecutors charged him with conspiring to violate U.S. sanctions and help Iranian entities conduct hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of financial transactions through U.S. banks.

Local US prosecutors in 2013 charged him with bribing Turkish ministers with ties to then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, charges which were later dropped for unknown reasons.

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i think they are well past the stage where they are ashamed of themselves, have any decency or moral.. as if they are in another universe where there is no honesty, decency, moral or any virtue at all

that their voters support them at all cost is giving them free hand
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Old 18.11.2016, 23:14
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Now heading down the road of child rape and underage marriage.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38030182

And he still thinks he's going to take Turkey into the EU.
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Old 18.11.2016, 23:39
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

You'd think we reached 2016's end and the world would have get better and all we see is the world going backward.

All I can think of is how the F U C K did we get so freaking backward???

It's 1950 all over again!!!
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Old 19.11.2016, 16:25
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

New system proposed by EU

More protection from terrorism - the EU wants to achieve this with its new electronic travel information and authorization system (ETIAS) for citizens from visa-free third countries.

Seems to be a cunning plan to still control EU visitors from Turkey if they ever get visa-free status.
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Now heading down the road of child rape and underage marriage.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38030182

And he still thinks he's going to take Turkey into the EU.
At lease someone saw sense.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38061785

Or did EU flat out tell them no membership if it went through.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38055357

Also saw a headline on the news this morning that they've sacked another 15,000 government employees.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-22/t...o-failed-coup/
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Or did EU flat out tell them no membership if it went through.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38055357

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Do you honestly think both EU and Turkey were really sincere with the membership talks all these years?

For AKP, it was means to suppress/eliminate the then powerful military with the help of the liberals. For EU it was a necessary role to keep a strategically important ally in the loop while getting some concessions whenever possible like playing a bigger role in ME and possibly getting some solution to the Cyprus problem. So both parties kept the appearances of ongoing talks but neither EU wanted to have such a big (with differing values and population and a lot of issues) country as a member nor the AKP government actually wanted to adopt any of the western values unless it served its ultimate purpose of creating an Islamic Republic.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

No, not really SemAms. While I think the Turkish government might like to be a member, I don't think the EU really believes Turkey will ever be able to meet the standards required. Certainly not at the rate they're going.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

The death penalty is the real litmus test.

If it goes through, it's game over for Turkey-EU talks - elections in Germany and France are coming up and it might get played up during the campaign otherwise.

Not that the Turkish politicians care a lot at the moment.
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No, not really SemAms. While I think the Turkish government might like to be a member, I don't think the EU really believes Turkey will ever be able to meet the standards required. Certainly not at the rate they're going.
Even if Turkey meets all the standard and exceeds by work of a miracle, EU will never accept Turkey as a member and this is fine really.

Membership is important but not everything, meeting the standards in all of their completeness( freedom of speech,human rights, equality, fair justice system,anti corruption,etc) is the real point.
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