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Listen to Iranian radio...
I don't speak farsi, too bad.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

As much as I may dislike Erdogan's strongarm tactics I like military coups even less. Egypt being a prime example of the public cheering one day and ruing their trashing of democracy the next. As long as the mechanisms to democratically remove the Akp remain in place I would always favour that over people paid to kill ruling a country.
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Old 16.07.2016, 02:03
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The army spokesman too declared the putsch is to save democracy and human rights... a question of perspective, I guess. (source is a German newsfeed, Frankfurter Allgemeine and Spiegelonline mainly at the moment).
So far the military did not take over or silence all the TV stations which probably means there are not enough soldiers
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So far the military did not take over or silence all the TV stations which probably means there are not enough soldiers
Didn't Erdogan reduced the army and beefed up the police to get his own control over his own force? Vague memories, unsure...
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Gee ! went for beer at 3pm EST (happy hours ), Came back 6.30 pm EST ,and we have Christmas in July . Where to I get a TURKEY to night?
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Gee ! went for beer at 3pm EST (happy hours ), Came back 6.30 pm EST ,and we have Christmas in July . Where to I get a TURKEY to night?
Vladimir, is it you?

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So far the military did not take over or silence all the TV stations which probably means there are not enough soldiers
Well, the camera-men have maybe all run away as it's the same pictures over and over again on aljazeera and they do not inform us that they're the same ol' pictures, so I suppose we're supposed to believe, they're actually there?
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As much as I may dislike Erdogan's strongarm tactics I like military coups even less. Egypt being a prime example of the public cheering one day and ruing their trashing of democracy the next. As long as the mechanisms to democratically remove the Akp remain in place I would always favour that over people paid to kill ruling a country.
There is some truth to this.
The problem is that often, when there's a military coup, there's also a power-vacuum. Extremist forces then try to fill that vacuum.

In Egypt, the situation was even stranger, because the US flip-flopped by first hoping to keep Mubarak in power, then banking on democracy and when the islamists came to power probably wasn't too sad about the military taking over again...

Obviously, most of the politicians in the West really, really hate dealing with Erdogan at this point. If he wasn't needed to keep the flood of refugees at bay, nobody would even bother to answer his phone calls. That's why nobody really wants him back.
But at the same time, Egypt and the rest of the Arabic states around the Mediterranean Sea are a gloomy warning as to what can happen.
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As much as I may dislike Erdogan's strongarm tactics I like military coups even less. Egypt being a prime example of the public cheering one day and ruing their trashing of democracy the next. As long as the mechanisms to democratically remove the Akp remain in place I would always favour that over people paid to kill ruling a country.
Meh, I wouldn't worry. Erdogan's an a-hole of the highest order. Plus Turkey had a long history of coups.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cate...oups_in_Turkey
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There is some truth to this.
The problem is that often, when there's a military coup, there's also a power-vacuum. Extremist forces then try to fill that vacuum.

In Egypt, the situation was even stranger, because the US flip-flopped by first hoping to keep Mubarak in power, then banking on democracy and when the islamists came to power probably wasn't too sad about the military taking over again...

Obviously, most of the politicians in the West really, really hate dealing with Erdogan at this point. If he wasn't needed to keep the flood of refugees at bay, nobody would even bother to answer his phone calls. That's why nobody really wants him back.
But at the same time, Egypt and the rest of the Arabic states around the Mediterranean Sea are a gloomy warning as to what can happen.
Well last time (in '97) the army had a coup BUT did get democratic politicians involved. Hopefully this will happen again, and is why I support the army.
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Old 16.07.2016, 02:23
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Junker, "now about that €6 billion..."
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I haven't heard of any of our 1st-row politicians an appeal to bring Erdogan back to power.
The silence is deafening.
Not sure how quickly governments are meant to mobilise and respond for you to be happy.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Obama spoke up - in favour of supporting the democratically elected president.
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Not sure how quickly governments are meant to mobilise and respond for you to be happy.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
Technically, I think Erdogan is the president, now, and that the PM is his pet Yildirim. He's seeking for a more active role, of course (and it was recently approved by parliament, IIRC).

As somebody said, Erdogan has been weakening and subverting the military for years because he didn't trust them.
This coup is probably the last chance and the last attempt you will see.

After that, it's Erdogan über alles.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

https://twitter.com/AP/status/754097277057335296

Reports of the coup having failed

visuals of soldiers being taken into custody by pro AKP police / citizens

no clarity of where this is going
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Reports of the coup having failed

visuals of soldiers being taken into custody by pro AKP police / citizens

no clarity of where this is going
They kept saying that over the past hours. But watching this half the night I've heard about this military fraction revolting but I've not heard one single voice on aljazeera supporting this coup. Where is the opposition? It doesn't seem to be in the streets either.
This is only gonna lead to a worse Erdogan than ever and a very instable, chaotic Turkey and that in times of war in Syria and ISIS next door.

addition: AH, 2.23 a.m. there is the first mention of the opposition:"Leaders of Turkish opposition parties condemn coup attempt by army fraction." Because of democracy or because it is lost and they're scared?

I guess I'm gonna go to bed now ..... ain't I lucky to just be able to do that.

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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Following the attempted military coup in Turkey, T-Mobile has announced that it’s making it free for Simple Choice prepaid and postpaid customers to call and text from the U.S. to Turkey. This free calling and texting also applies to customers of MetroPCS, GoSmart Mobile, and Walmart Family Mobile. As usual, customers will see normal charges for these calls and texts on their bills along with credits to cancel them out.
Additionally, T-Mobile is waiving roaming fees for customers in Turkey.
These offers will be available from July 15 through at least July 17. If T-Mobile extends the free calling and texting, I’ll be sure to update you.
Source: T-Mobile


It does appear that a lot of social media news from Turkey might be being blocked for the moment
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

'They will pay a heavy price for their treason': Up to 100 Turkish soldiers surrender on Bosphorus Bridge after their military coup fails, ending with 60 dead and President Erdogan vowing revenge.
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Balls, looks to have failed. There'll be a few bloody, pitted walls by the end of today. Erdogan will really go to town on cementing his power now.
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Balls, looks to have failed. There'll be a few bloody, pitted walls by the end of today. Erdogan will really go to town on cementing his power now.
Basically there were not enough soldiers; if they had been able to close down all the TV stations and communications might have been different. Erdogan's TV call to people to go onto the streets and protest seems to have worked.

There may be parts of the country where fighting continues for a while.
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