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Old 17.07.2016, 13:24
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight? 15.7.2016

That was happening in Athens, Greece, Thursday 14 July 2016, my original question was for Friday 15 July re Turkey

Must be a very anxious time for your relatives in Athens.

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Just got back from Greece a few hours ago and it's been an interesting trip.

Last Thursday, all of the household and neighbourhood where my OH's mum lives on the northern outskirts of Athens, were woken in the early hours by fighter jets flying low over the area. OH's nephew is a lieutenant in the Greek Navy, and confirmed that evening, that we'd been woken by an incursion by Turkish fighter jets who were chased away by Greek jets. This has become ridiculously common over the last year, but it's disturbing that it's happening more often over Athens.

Just found this report on what woke us, and trust me, it was damned scary at the time...

http://www.ekathimerini.com/210453/a...space-16-times

Whilst I want Erdogan gone, and have done for a very, very long time, I'm always wary of power vacuums because you never know what's going to get sucked into the void created. I honestly believe Erdogan is one of the most dangerous megalomaniacs on the planet and could easily be the catalyst of a war in Europe. We don't yet know for sure, the ideology of the soldiers involved in this coup attempt, but it's far from over. I wouldn't put it past Erdogan to order public mass executions of those involved, and that horrifies me.

Tonight, I'm hearing reports of Turkish military fleeing to Greece and claiming asylum.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight? 15.7.2016

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That was happening in Athens, Greece, Thursday 14 July 2016, my original question was for Friday 15 July re Turkey

Must be a very anxious time for your relatives in Athens.

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In 2014 alone, there were over 2,000 incursions into Greek airspace by Turkish fighter jets. These only make the news now when they fly over Athens or are armed.

This is Erdogan's daily workout... Supress the media, legal system and free speech and annoy the neighbours, yet when a Russian jet is shot down for doing the same to Turkey, NATO slaps Putin's wrist. Nice to see the equality at play here... These are near daily acts of aggression and intimidation and NATO should recognise them as such.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...0RZ0FT20151005

When Russian jets buzz the coast of Cornwall, it's front page news in the British media. Can you imagine if they were flying over London?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/raf-typhoon...rspace-1544481
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Old 17.07.2016, 16:56
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight? 15.7.2016

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In 2014 alone, there were over 2,000 incursions into Greek airspace by Turkish fighter jets. These only make the news now when they fly over Athens or are armed.

This is Erdogan's daily workout... Supress the media, legal system and free speech and annoy the neighbours, yet when a Russian jet is shot down for doing the same to Turkey, NATO slaps Putin's wrist. Nice to see the equality at play here... These are near daily acts of aggression and intimidation and NATO should recognise them as such.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...0RZ0FT20151005

When Russian jets buzz the coast of Cornwall, it's front page news in the British media. Can you imagine if they were flying over London?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/raf-typhoon...rspace-1544481
"NATO should recognise them as such" Nato's role is to defend NATO countries from outside aggression; "They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence".

Issues between NATO countries are not in scope.
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Old 17.07.2016, 17:00
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Turkey detains 6,000 over coup attempt as Erdoğan vows to 'clean state of virus'

The guy is nuts and using this attempted coup as an excuse to imprison many people who had nothing to do with the coup.

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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Well... he didn't turn nuts overnight... and when others on the forum were upset about Ang Merkel's climbing into bed with him you seemed fully onboard. As I said then and I advocate now the way to deal with Erdogan's Turkey is with strength - full EU sanctions and prevention of remittances unless and until they have secure borders.
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if Turkey is going to descend into autocracy then they need to get the boot from NATO.
NATO and democracy have exactly zero relationships with each other.

Greece joined NATO in 1952 but was ruled by the military well into the '70ies.
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Well... he didn't turn nuts overnight... and when others on the forum were upset about Ang Merkel's climbing into bed with him you seemed fully onboard. As I said then and I advocate now the way to deal with Erdogan's Turkey is with strength - full EU sanctions and prevention of remittances unless and until they have secure borders.
Exactly!

For 12yrs now, I've been boring people with my theory that he's the person most likely to cause WWIII, and needs to be removed or contained.
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Old 17.07.2016, 21:16
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

With so many people on the streets since the coup attempt and only a few days after the terrible airport attack, you would think authorities would fear another IS attack?!

unless of course all those bombings were controlled attacks cleverly timed

the other point is, how can any politician ask people to go out to streets when there is an obvious threat to human life? I did not see any of the politicians on the street
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Old 17.07.2016, 21:33
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With so many people on the streets since the coup attempt and only a few days after the terrible airport attack, you would think authorities would fear another IS attack?!

unless of course all those bombings were controlled attacks cleverly timed

the other point is, how can any politician ask people to go out to streets when there is an obvious threat to human life? I did not see any of the politicians on the street
This and considering how he tackled the Gezi protest.... What an hypocrite.
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Well... he didn't turn nuts overnight... and when others on the forum were upset about Ang Merkel's climbing into bed with him you seemed fully onboard. As I said then and I advocate now the way to deal with Erdogan's Turkey is with strength - full EU sanctions and prevention of remittances unless and until they have secure borders.


the 7th and 8th Turkish Army Corps (the 9th is securing the TRNC) are trying to secure the Mustafa Kemal Von der Goltz Line --- Mr Erdovan however will lift the barriers towards the Balkan if the West does not pay. There are about half a mio Iraqi andf one mio Syrian refugees inside Turkey
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NATO and democracy have exactly zero relationships with each other.

Greece joined NATO in 1952 but was ruled by the military well into the '70ies.



Greece was under mil- rule 67 to 74


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...2.80.931973.29


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...0.93present.29 --- and None of them was Military


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...2.80.931973.29


a mixed bunch indeed but NOT a miliary junta

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Old 18.07.2016, 09:56
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Claims appearing that the govt. has laid off some 2745 judges. Presumably this is to preserve the rule of law.
What sort of democracy arrests 2745 judges? Total arrests at 6000 and counting. Most army commanders have also been arrested. Islamist gangs on the rampage. Alevi being attacked. This could well descend into civil war. And the EU are about to offer Visa free travel to Turkey. They needn't bother, if the situation deteriorates, there may well be few million refugees more heading this way.
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What sort of democracy arrests 2745 judges? Total arrests at 6000 and counting. Most army commanders have also been arrested. Islamist gangs on the rampage. Alevi being attacked. This could well descend into civil war. And the EU are about to offer Visa free travel to Turkey. They needn't bother, if the situation deteriorates, there may well be few million refugees more heading this way.
The problem is: Europe hasn't really cared about Turkey since... forever.
At least, that's the perception a lot of Turks got, which may or may not be true.

Erdogan changed that. Nobody (well, except Putin) is playing hardball with them anymore. People come to him, literally on their knees.
He realized that the fragile situation in the Middle East could move him into a very powerful position and he tried his best to make it as bad as possible.

Again, a common trait in dictatorships: make people proud of what they do, what they are, so they don't think too much.
People crave status, recognition.


My prediction: EU will have some strong words and then cave in, as usual, like an over-ripe peach dropping on the floor.

Because, fundamentally, the EU is currently in a disintegration-process of its own (hello Brexit, banking crisis reloaded, social, economic and political division, rising extremist movements on both ends of the spectrum) and as such is virtually powerless. In a way, it's perceived as all talk and no action.

The Turks know this - that's why they are acting like they do.

It's a crazy strategy - but the more I think about it, the more I'm afraid it might actually work and pay off.
Simply because the alternatives are just not there or perceived so much worse in the short time.
Ultimately, though, we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Because we voted the current bunch of disastrous figureheads in the political cadre into office.


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Haha, now 8000 policemen get axed, too.
Stalin would be so proud of him.

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Old 18.07.2016, 11:15
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Turkey government seemed to have list of arrests prepared: EU's Hahn.
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My prediction: EU will have some strong words and then cave in, as usual, like an over-ripe peach dropping on the floor.
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Sadly, I think you are right. I'm not even sure if there will be strong words.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

If nothing else, you have to admire Erdogan's ruthless efficiency in figuring out who all the pro coup characters are.

Whilst the official report on 9-11 took almost 18 months to reach the eyes of the CIA and British parliamentarians had to wait for almost 15 years for the dust to clear into why the UK entered into the Iraq war (for the second time), old Erdogan has managed to figure this all out in about 48 hours and get people behind bars.

Now I'm not saying that he had a shit list and wanted to implement it in a Guinness Book of World Records fashion, but I think he had a shit list or he's just bought a ton of shares in a private prison pyramid scheme.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

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Greece was under mil- rule 67 to 74
I stand corrected.
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Old 18.07.2016, 14:27
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

1500 staff at the Ministry of Finance have been dismissed.
"Death penalty needs to be debated in parliament" - Turkish PM
"We are disappointed by US requesting proof linking Gulen to coup. Is this coup not proof enough?", "We may review our friendship with Washington" - Turkish PM

How long before we see US Flag burning on the streets?

It's official, Erdogan has gone Full Retard.
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It's official, Erdogan has gone Full Retard.



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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Latest news on the wire is that all Public Servants have been banned from travelling out of Turkey. It's a good thing their democracy survived this terrible coup.
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