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Old 18.07.2016, 17:26
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Now Turkey trying to pin this on the US, and are looking for evidence that they supported the coup attempt.

This won't end well.
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Old 18.07.2016, 17:31
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Now Turkey trying to pin this on the US, and are looking for evidence that they supported the coup attempt.

This won't end well.
Perhaps he will align himself with Putin, then they can attack Canada and the US. Still waiting for Putin to respond to the McLaren report.
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Old 18.07.2016, 17:31
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Now Turkey trying to pin this on the US, and are looking for evidence that they supported the coup attempt.

This won't end well.
Following a page in the Putin text book
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

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NATO and democracy have exactly zero relationships with each other.

Greece joined NATO in 1952 but was ruled by the military well into the '70ies.
Times change. In the past Greece and Turkey occupied a key strategic location as a bulwark against the USSR, and in particular the naval access to the Black Sea. In current day, now we have Bulgaria and Romania in NATO with Black Sea ports, and improved air and missile technology means that putting ships in the Black Sea isn't a good tactical move anymore. Kerry is now making some weak criticisms, the end result will depend on whether Erdogan continues to hang himself in the court of Western public opinion or not:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7142491.html

In the current generation of war the moral victory is the one that matters the most. I.e. is if the populations of Western countries have the will to prosecute a war, rather than the capacity to prosecute it. NATO containing autocratic regimes would be a huge blunder, because it's original purpose of containing (communist) Russia in the European theater has now been supplemented with protecting Europe from Islamic Jihad (a problem that's been around since 800 AD or so). It's not 'official' at present, but we would have to cover our eyes and ears to say that NATO isn't expending more effort against Sunni nations than Russia.
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Times change. In the past Greece and Turkey occupied a key strategic location as a bulwark against the USSR, and in particular the naval access to the Black Sea. In current day, now we have Bulgaria and Romania in NATO with Black Sea ports, and improved air and missile technology means that putting ships in the Black Sea isn't a good tactical move anymore. Kerry is now making some weak criticisms, the end result will depend on whether Erdogan continues to hang himself in the court of Western public opinion or not:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7142491.html

In the current generation of war the moral victory is the one that matters the most. I.e. is if the populations of Western countries have the will to prosecute a war, rather than the capacity to prosecute it. NATO containing autocratic regimes would be a huge blunder, because it's original purpose of containing (communist) Russia in the European theater has now been supplemented with protecting Europe from Islamic Jihad (a problem that's been around since 800 AD or so). It's not 'official' at present, but we would have to cover our eyes and ears to say that NATO isn't expending more effort against Sunni nations than Russia.


Russia is working to maintain irs foothold in thr Arab Worlg.


most Arab countries have either Sunni majorities or Sunni dominate governmebts ..... THIS also apllirs to Muslim-Asian counties likr Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Indonesia
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Following a page in the Putin text book


Mr Putin defends the Med. Eskadra
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Old 19.07.2016, 01:23
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

What I wonder is what's gonna happen to the turkish asylum seekers in Greece? Not only are Greece and Turkey traditionally not really friends but they actually asked for asylum in EU!
At the moment it seems, the Greek are gonna stall. source (German)
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Old 19.07.2016, 02:33
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Turkish former air force commander tells interrogators he DID plot coup against Erdogan – after he is pictured bloodied and beaten.

Very credible, not!
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Old 19.07.2016, 07:30
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

What I do not understand is how every aspect of the coup is covered in such great detail by the media? From the start of the even onwards, CnnTurk had video feed from all major areas and been reporting without any ambiguity as compared to other 'smaller scale' events/terror attacks where we are lucky to come across a single street surveillance capture.

Anyway, despite all your instincts and logic against it, I suggest people to visit the country, especially Istanbul., as soon as possible if they ever planned to do so ... we are at the dawn of Tayyibistan and everything will change rapidly from now on. Old Turkey and istanbul are gone soon.
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Old 19.07.2016, 10:29
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I'm glad to hear from friends and family back in turkey that even there, they just talk how suspicious this whole "coup" and many are not buying it.

Sadly, it won't change the what's happening.
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Turkey is now ranking 151 for press freedom

some countries ranking "better" than Turkey are; Afghanistan, Oman, Cambodia, Uganda, Palestine
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Old 19.07.2016, 10:39
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I'm glad to hear from friends and family back in turkey that even there, they just talk how suspicious this whole "coup" and many are not buying it.

Sadly, it won't change the what's happening.
From today's Guardian "Military coup was well planned and very nearly succeeded, say Turkish officials"

If one had a suspicious mind one might wonder why they are trying to convince us the coup was well planned?

Source
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Old 19.07.2016, 10:47
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Turkey is now ranking 151 for press freedom

some countries ranking "better" than Turkey are; Afghanistan, Oman, Cambodia, Uganda, Palestine

WHICH Palestine ?
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What I wonder is what's gonna happen to the turkish asylum seekers in Greece? Not only are Greece and Turkey traditionally not really friends but they actually asked for asylum in EU!
At the moment it seems, the Greek are gonna stall. source (German)
Tsipras can't possibly have them deported:
If Greece deports them, Erdogan is likely to see it as Greece succumbing to Turkey's demand, and thus, rule. And calling them "traitors" makes it clear what to expect if the death penalty is re-introduced.
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Old 19.07.2016, 11:35
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

All political prisoners in Turkey are now denied the right to meet lawyers, family, & make phone calls. Ipso Facto, within the space of a few days Turkey has become a dictatorship.
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Old 19.07.2016, 11:36
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Tsipras can't possibly have them deported:
If Greece deports them, Erdogan is likely to see it as Greece succumbing to Turkey's demand, and thus, rule. And calling them "traitors" makes it clear what to expect if the death penalty is re-introduced.
Complex situation.
You are not considered to be a refugee if you committed a crime against peace in your home counry.

On the other hand the ECHJ does not allow people to be returned to countries where they could face death or torture, and after seeing the pictures of the badly beaten Turkish former air force commander ....
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What I wonder is what's gonna happen to the turkish asylum seekers in Greece? Not only are Greece and Turkey traditionally not really friends but they actually asked for asylum in EU!
At the moment it seems, the Greek are gonna stall. source (German)
Greece won't hand them over to Erdogan willingly.

Then there's the other little matter of 14 Turkish Navy ships 'missing'. I imagine Tsipras' response will be...

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Several Turkish navy ships are still unaccounted for, their commanders suspected to be among the plotters who sought to overthrow President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Admiral Veysel Kosele, the commander of the Turkish navy, has not been heard from since the failed coup on Friday, a source told The Times.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7144141.html


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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/several-tur...ttempt-1571298
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Old 19.07.2016, 16:43
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

Things might not be looking rosy on the finance side either. This came out today:
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*YAPI KREDI BANKASI SAID TO CANCEL $550M 7Y BOND SALE
The bond was issued last week and had been trading since then. It is the first time I witness an issued bond to be cancelled (today was the first settlement date)
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

And now the teachers:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36838347
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Re: What is happening in Turkey tonight?

I see another Islamic republic in the making.
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