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Old 20.07.2016, 11:28
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So in the end, this is just nice to know. There's anything up to 100,000 unaccompanied minors claiming asylum in Germany and no real way of knowing who they are or preventing this from happening again. Whatever the cause, this is the result.
About 2.5 Million Americans were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. One third of them more than once.


If the chance of PTSD is say ten times less likely with a soldier than some teenage boys... would the US be a more dangerous place to be. Add easily available weapons to the calculation and... ah well, you don't actually want logical arguments, do you?
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Old 20.07.2016, 11:34
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The Nice attacker didn't grow up in a war zone, he was from Morocco. What's his excuse? The Brussels bombers grew up in Belgium. What's their excuse? You can make excuses all day long, but the common thread is...guess what? "Allu Akbar!" Ignoring that they were sucked into a hateful ideology is just idiotic.


Mass immigration into Europe from mainly Muslim lands is a big issue right now, especially as they are bringing their problems here with them. Limiting migration, and screening and handling the migrants correctly is not being done. That's a security problem that is not being addressed. It need to be on the front page so politicians wake up and look at it and take some action.
Sadly, people seem unable to distinguish between genuine racism and genuine concern over migration, and are so intent on this faux-political correctness spiel that they refuse to just say it like it is for fear of being branded as intolerant.

Common sense took back seat a long time ago, and now both left-wing luvvies and right-wing rogues seem to be dominating the airwaves.

The objective Centrist is sadly becoming an endangered species.
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Old 20.07.2016, 11:37
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Merkel chief of staff: refugees don’t pose higher terror risk

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Old 20.07.2016, 11:42
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About 2.5 Million Americans were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. One third of them more than once.


If the chance of PTSD is say ten times less likely with a soldier than some teenage boys... would the US be a more dangerous place to be. Add easily available weapons to the calculation and... ah well, you don't actually want logical arguments, do you?
I don't understand the point you're trying to make. You make is sound as if PTSD is the cut and dried cause of this axe attack.
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Old 20.07.2016, 11:44
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Quoting that lovable person Ayan Rand.

Nice
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:02
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Contradicting what Merkel already said; ""In part, the refugee flow was even used to smuggle terrorists," Merkel told a rally of her Christian Democrats in eastern Germany."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0ZR1AH

The messaging from these politicians are absolutely meaningless. They're designed to address that moment's opinion poll rather than anything real. As for any real issues, well, they never take responsibility for any for their actions. That is someone else's job.
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:04
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I don't understand the point you're trying to make. You make is sound as if PTSD is the cut and dried cause of this axe attack.
And you make it sound as if that evil foreign religion is the cut and dried reason for anything bad in the world... Again.


I think I should do with threads on Islam what Officer Barbrady does with Ayn Rand...


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Old 20.07.2016, 12:15
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Re: An Islamic Terrorist Attack just Happened in (*Fill in the Blank*)

The thing about Ayn Rand is that she has mades some of the most lucid points of most anybody in the last century. I think the lucidity of her points speak for itself without her. Attack's on her person doesn't really address the actual points she makes.

A question is if a person has the lucidity to differentiate the point made from her person. I don't really know much about her person, but I see her points clearly.
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:19
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About 2.5 Million Americans were deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. One third of them more than once.


If the chance of PTSD is say ten times less likely with a soldier than some teenage boys... would the US be a more dangerous place to be. Add easily available weapons to the calculation and... ah well, you don't actually want logical arguments, do you?
or say a million times less likely?

anyway, so what you are saying is that refugee boys are much more dangerous than soldiers returning from the desert.

i assume you dont want to leave the soldiers (we sent there) in the desert. so, life at home is now super duper dangerous. and then we add insult to injury by inviting an even more dangerous group?
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:26
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Sadly, people seem unable to distinguish between genuine racism and genuine concern over migration...
Sadly, this is also exactly the kind of thing racists say to cover their racism.
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:33
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Sadly, this is also exactly the kind of thing racists say to cover their racism.
I think we really need to start developing the mental capacity to differentiate between the value of a point made and the smearing of those who say it. I think its a more intelligent approach. The other approach is really for those unable to think.
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:36
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And now they're not even sure if the guy was from Afghanistan.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160720/doub...rs-nationality
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Sadly, this is also exactly the kind of thing racists say to cover their racism.
It is the easiest and most brainless thing in the world to accuse someone of racism simply because you don't agree with their views. However, I doubt for a second you could actually justify such an accusation.
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And now they're not even sure if the guy was from Afghanistan.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160720/doub...rs-nationality
What difference does it make, he was a Muslim and they are all bad news, if this thread is anything to go by.
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:45
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I think we really need to start developing the mental capacity to differentiate between the value of a point made and the smearing of those who say it. I think its a more intelligent approach. The other approach is really for those unable to think.
<gasp> That is downright subversive. Next you'll be demanding tolerance!
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Old 20.07.2016, 12:57
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Sadly, this is also exactly the kind of thing racists say to cover their racism.

Well then I am apparently a racist too!

Simply because I am really and very worried about the massive immigration and demands for refuge and asylum into CH, and what the state all finances for all those people with my tax money......language courses, work placements, integration courses, flats, clothes, food according to their beliefs and what not......whilst I, who have paid into all the mandatory funds here since 1984.....don't get any help at all from none of the official institutions, which I have funded too with my money and am left to fend for myself.

Now where's the humanity and fairness in that, to care first for the immigrants and not for the natives ... and if I am a racist for being genuinely worried about this immigration stuff, then so be it!
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Simply because I am really and very worried about the massive immigration and demands for refuge and asylum into CH, and what the state all finances for all those people with my tax money......language courses, work placements, integration courses, flats, clothes, food according to their beliefs and what not......whilst I, who have paid into all the mandatory funds here since 1984.....don't get any help at all from none of the official institutions, which I have funded too with my money and am left to fend for myself.
I am sure you would get more support from the state then an Asylum seeker would. The biggest scroungers I have ever encountered were not immigrants or refugees. Fact.
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Old 20.07.2016, 13:03
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Well then I am apparently a racist too!

Simply because I am really and very worried about the massive immigration and demands for refuge and asylum into CH, and what the state all finances for all those people with my tax money......language courses, work placements, integration courses, flats, clothes, food according to their beliefs and what not......whilst I, who have paid into all the mandatory funds here since 1984.....don't get any help at all from none of the official institutions, which I have funded too with my money and am left to fend for myself.

Now where's the humanity and fairness in that, to care first for the immigrants and not for the natives ... and if I am a racist for being genuinely worried about this immigration stuff, then so be it!

This is a perfect example. We're not talking racial issues here, we're talking about mismanagement of government, and its disrespect for the people they are suppose to represent. This is necessary conversation. Derailing it as racist misses the point. We simply should expect better performance from those we supposedly put in charge.
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I claim the haves of this world are racist against the have nots. They refuse to pay more taxes to accommodate with greater solidarity the poor guys. But this racism is sanctioned. It is called right to property. And now the haves want the have nots to share their living space with even more of have nots, and call them racists if they claim their right to live in dignity.
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Old 20.07.2016, 13:14
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What difference does it make
Just another example that Germany have no idea who they've let into their country and have no way of preventing something like this happening again.
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