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Old 23.07.2016, 00:54
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I am sorry but this is rather ridiculous. You're claiming this whole thing only started with the "refugee-problem" and Merkel?!
You seriously believe the "West" can intrude, exploit, attack, butt in on those countries for decades (or should I say centuries) and these people will just take that as God given for ever? This is our fault, pressure causes counterpressure and it took them a long time to freak out - I only wish they would have held back for an other 50 years. And I can't even say, I'm Swiss, we got nothing to do with it .... we got Nestlé stealing their water right under their nose to mention only one thing.
Oh. So we're just helpless against this should just accept this. Okay, maybe everyone should just arm themselves. It was nice when it lasted.

BS. Merkel did this because of Germany's declining population.
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Old 23.07.2016, 01:04
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Oh. So we're just helpless against this should just al accept this. Okay, maybe everyone should just arm themselves. It was nice when it lasted.

BS. Merkel did this because of Germany's declining population.
Phos, are you tired? I don't remember you posting such stuff.

Where did I say we should just accept it? But by just shouting "terrorists, terrorists, let's keep them all out of here" it's time to talk on eye-level.
And before you tell me that's not possible with ISIS&Co. that is so but all these people you folks want deported, not let in what ever have the same problem/the same enemy. Putting them all in the ISIS-pot is not only a dumb thing to do but it will only increase the problem.

What was nice while it lasted? Playing Übermensch? I never enjoyed watching it actually.
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Phos, are you tired? I don't remember you posting such stuff.

Where did I say we should just accept it? But by just shouting "terrorists, terrorists, let's keep them all out of here" it's time to talk on eye-level.
And before you tell me that's not possible with ISIS&Co. that is so but all these people you folks want deported, not let in what ever have the same problem/the same enemy. Putting them all in the ISIS-pot is not only a dumb thing to do but it will only increase the problem.
A substantial portion ARE those enemy - that's the problem , not the majority , not even a reasonable minority but more than enough to cause a security problem which Europe clearly cannot live with - as Charlie Hebdo, New Years Eve Koln , Nice and now tonight have proven.

It's not fair on the hardworking person looking for a better life - who at the same time fraudulently claimed asylum coming through many safe countries - but them's the breaks. It's also not fair on the receiving population who are being forced - without any democratic vote to accept the enormous societal and economic costs. The EU will disintegrate if this continues - and no surprise the so-called right wing "nutjobs" have been proven correct in their assessment of Merkel's policies.

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Re: Shootings in Munich

We shouldn't try to censor comments on this thread.

I'm glad to live in a society where no matter how dumb and poorly considered we think the views some people have are, the freedom to express them is a well guarded right.

Me? Nothing smart to say as I kiss my girls goodnight, feel a moment of pity for the families of strangers (again) and wonder wtf I'll see on tomorrow's news.
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Some eyewitnesses report one of the gunman shouting 'Scheiss Ausländer'

So maybe not
So maybe yes.

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/eu...ing/index.html

Another Islamic coward attack. When will it stop?!
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We shouldn't try to censor comments on this thread.

I'm glad to live in a society where no matter how dumb and poorly considered we think the views some people have are, the freedom to express them is a well guarded right.

Me? Nothing smart to say as I kiss my girls goodnight, feel a moment of pity for the families of strangers (again) and wonder wtf I'll see on tomorrow's news.
I said <<Putting them all in the ISIS-pot is not only a dumb thing to do but it will only increase the problem.>>
If that came accross as calling Phos personally dumb I apologize.
As I also said, I was surprised to read his post as it didn't sound like his usual self - well the one I perceived so far
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We shouldn't try to censor comments on this thread.

I'm glad to live in a society where no matter how dumb and poorly considered we think the views some people have are, the freedom to express them is a well guarded right.

Me? Nothing smart to say as I kiss my girls goodnight, feel a moment of pity for the families of strangers (again) and wonder wtf I'll see on tomorrow's news.
No, we should not censor comments, neither the other mods nor I support any form of censorship. This is more an appeal to adhere to higher standards, as we certainly should. Yes, there are similarities among the plethora of recent violent incidents and yes, it is easy to point a finger. We have the right to be angry and we also have the right to condemn any polutician whose action had a seemingly negative reaction. However, with this incident, I simply ask this here community to hold back on the finger pointing. There is a lot information we don't know. The media is confused, heck, even the police officers don't knkw what's going on. I saw the look on some of the police officers' faces and it was marred by confusion and fear. They have to step up to the plate while we have the benefit of simply switching the channel. This attack may very well fall under the same paradigm as all the previous ones and yet, we shouldn't simply assume that this is the case.
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Old 23.07.2016, 01:26
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Re: Shootings in Munich

If these are in fact White Supremacists, then we may be starting to see a chain reaction of violence that may not stop for a very long time.

I'm just really peeved or disgusted at the level of utter stupidity and naivety by which politics and government have dealt with this. This was foreseeable, but they chose to disregard consequences. They shut down debate about this. If they continue to do so, it leaves plenty of room for someone to call it all out. And that person may be a lot worse than Donald Trump.
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So maybe yes.

A witness who will only be identified as Lauretta told CNN her son was in a bathroom with a shooter at the McDonald's. "That's where he loaded his weapon," she said. "I hear like an alarm and boom, boom, boom... And he's still killing the children. The children were sitting to eat. They can't run." Lauretta said she heard the gunman say, "Allahu Akbar," or God is great. "I know this because I'm Muslim. I hear this and I only cry."

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/22/eu...ing/index.html

Another Islamic coward attack. When will it stop?!
It is a little bit strange that that story hasn't appeared anywhere in the German media yet, don't you think?

I would have thought that if it was an Islamic fundamentalist then he wouldn't have had a conversation while he was on the roof. The audio there isn't very clear, and it is hard to differentiate between the speakers, but neither seems to have much of an accent. In fact the conversation sounds just like 2 drunk Münchener dissing each other.

Early days yet.
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No, we should not censor comments, neither the other mods nor I support any form of censorship. This is more an appeal to adhere to higher standards, as we certainly should. Yes, there are similarities among the plethora of recent violent incidents and yes, it is easy to point a finger. We have the right to be angry and we also have the right to condemn any polutician whose action had a seemingly negative reaction. However, with this incident, I simply ask this here community to hold back on the finger pointing. There is a lot information we don't know. The media is confused, heck, even the police officers don't knkw what's going on. I saw the look on some of the police officers' faces and it was marred by confusion and fear. They have to step up to the plate while we have the benefit of simply switching the channel. This attack may very well fall under the same paradigm as all the previous ones and yet, we shouldn't simply assume that this is the case.
At the risk of being groaned at, I'm still hoping it's anybody but a muslem person. And I highly admire the German police for the way they handle the press. Although they found a body they suspect to be (one of) the perpetrator they mentioned nowhere what nationality he could be. Chapeau!

So I'm gonna try to take my mind off it for the rest of the night and find out tomorrow. An other very sad Friday night.
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Old 23.07.2016, 01:45
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It is a little bit strange that that story hasn't appeared anywhere in the German media yet, don't you think?
Same media that were caught deliberately suppressing mass sexual assault after NYE.

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I would have thought that if it was an Islamic fundamentalist then he wouldn't have had a conversation while he was on the roof. The audio there isn't very clear, and it is hard to differentiate between the speakers, but neither seems to have much of an accent. In fact the conversation sounds just like 2 drunk Münchener dissing each other.

Early days yet.
Toytown munich forum members seem to suspect a Turkish 2nd gen Munich resident from the accents and grammar.
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Old 23.07.2016, 02:00
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Re: Shootings in Munich

Terrible as these events are there is a side to human nature that when they happen so often people start to react like "Oh, another one".

The shock horror effect reduces after each one and the fact that there are no clear objectives stated makes it difficult for people to know how to react.

Threatening to deport millions because of a few nutters is also nutty and anyway difficult to implement. Threatening to deporting people to countries they were not born in and have never visited is likely to be counter productive and simply worsen the situation.
Anyway there will always be cross border terrorism; several of the Paris attackers came from Belgium.

Like the French Minister said maybe we just have to accept that there is no guarantee for the future that these attacks will not continue to occur. Of course we try to minimise or prevent deaths from major accidents or virus epidemics but they still happen.

France and Germany each have over three thousand road death accidents per year; maybe we will also have to learn to live with a small number of terrorist killings each year - I hope not.
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Reports of an active gunman in a Munich shopping centre. Large police operation underway.
News Update@ 02:50am :
It was an 18 year old Iran/German guy the one involved in the Munich shootings...10 people dead,21 injured which out of those the 3 are critical...The iranian guy killed himself...
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I'm shocked.
Can't the vultures hold back their comments at least for a few hours?
Bravo ZuriRollt.


Thankfully, I was out with friends when we heard the news. We carried on drinking and talking about everything else but, because... "nothing we do tight now will make any difference." If that sounds blasé, then good. Rather that than be the author of some of the comments in this thread. True colours spewing out all over the show...
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If anyone wants to know what he's talking about: In German, sorry
No need to apologize. I'm actually grateful to NOT understand German. Personally, I'm getting damn sick of these stories, no matter where they come from.
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Do they say that only when they are gonna blow themselves into bits ... or depends more on the tone of voice?



you also say so if the traffic is bad ....

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Oh. So we're just helpless against this should just accept this. Okay, maybe everyone should just arm themselves. It was nice when it lasted.

BS. Merkel did this because of Germany's declining population.
This seems pertinent here: https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectT...3760912218441/
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I do agree with your post. The scary thing is that my armchair does not feel very comfi, Munich is basically next door.
addition: Last Friday I spent all night in front of the tv because of Turkey, what's gonna happen next Friday?!


This is about Munich, you're in the wrong thread?
Duh! The Daily Wail shows that the origin of the pictures was in South Africa and not München. I took that one because not many here on the Forum can read German.
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...by the way the shooter was from Iran. looks like Munich has been culturally enriched.
By the way, your chances of dying in a house fire are significantly higher than to be the victim of a terrorist attack. If you are concerned for your safety check first that you have a fire blanket and/or extinguisher. Put one in your car too.

Speaking of cars, roughly 10 people die in a German traffic accident per day. So far I don't hear any calls for banning cars or roads, nor does n24 start an exclusive coverage cycle to publicise this threat.

Are the events in Munich shocking? Yes.
Should something be done? Yes.
Is terrorism a significant threat? Statistically speaking, No.
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Oh. So we're just helpless against this should just accept this. Okay, maybe everyone should just arm themselves. It was nice when it lasted.

BS. Merkel did this because of Germany's declining population.
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I said <<Putting them all in the ISIS-pot is not only a dumb thing to do but it will only increase the problem.>>
If that came across as calling Phos personally dumb I apologize.
As I also said, I was surprised to read his post as it didn't sound like his usual self - well the one I perceived so far
According to today's newspapers he was German born so nothing to do with Merkel or Syrian refugees.
Consequently nothing to apologise for curley!

The amount of uninformed and bigoted comments in this thread is very depressing; all these EF people can vote somewhere
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