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Old 12.08.2016, 12:54
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given the amount of drugs involved in sport I find it quite odd to use it in any kind of context. doesn't matter what race, colour or creed you are, the guy with the best drugs wins.
Then with all the pharma stuff going on, why is Switzerland not taking home more gold medals?

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Old 12.08.2016, 12:59
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Then with all the pharma stuff going on, why is Switzerland not taking home more gold medals?


lots more money in producing the drugs and letting some other poor sucker destroy themselves using them. its the swiss way
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Old 12.08.2016, 14:18
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So idols don't have appeal across racial lines?
It's not just black or white (figuratively).

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Isn't that a racist thing to assume?
No. Look up the definition of racism.

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I see plenty of white kids dressing and acting like gangsta rappers. So this would suggest idols do appeal across racial lines.

Likewise a black guy (I forget his name) became POTUS. I wonder what race his idols were?
That would mean there's never a first one, nothing new done due to lack of idols.
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Old 12.08.2016, 14:48
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That would mean there's never a first one, nothing new done due to lack of idols.
This was my point. The value of idols may be overestimated.
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Old 19.08.2016, 19:10
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Re: is racism / hate crime becoming more acceptable?

What's more offensive, I wonder: a rise in racism or suggesting that Brexit (or even (!) Brexit supporters) has caused a rise in racism?

Equality and Human Rights Commission: Healing a divided Britain

"A spike in racism and hate crime in England and Wales following the vote suggests that, in some areas, a minority of people with racist attitudes have used the result to legitimise racism and hate crime. In contrast, there were far lower levels of post-referendum hate crime in Scotland.... In the aftermath of the EU referendum in June, there was an unprecedented spike in the levels of hate crime across England and Wales. This has been described as ‘a frenzy of hatred’ (Khaleeli, 2016)."

Daily Mail: Brexit vote blamed for rise in race hate

"Tory MP Philip Davies last night said it was 'offensive' to suggest Brexit supporters were racist, adding: 'Perhaps the Equalities and Human Rights Commission might have considered the idea that what led to a spike in racist incidents was uncontrolled immigration.'"


In other words: "It's not that we don't like foreigners, it's just that there are too many of them".
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Re: is racism / hate crime becoming more acceptable?

Polish men attacked in 'hate crime' hours after murdered Pole's vigil in Harlow

"Two Polish men have been attacked hours after a vigil in honour of a Pole who was murdered in the same town, in what police are treating as a possible hate crime.

Poland has announced three cabinet ministers will be making an urgent visit to London following recent attacks on Polish citizens in Brtiain.

A Polish foreign misitry spokesman said Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski, Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro and Interior Minister Mariusz Blaszczak will lead the delegation, AFP reports.

Officers are investigating after the men, who are both in their thirties, were assaulted by a group of four or five males outside a pub in Harlow, Essex. Police were called to the “vicious” incident in the early hours of Sunday morning."


Harlow voted 68.1% Leave. Yet there will be people who say that these attacks have nothing to do with the referendum or the rhetoric around it. When Jo Cox's killer comes to trial in November they'll be claiming it was the isolated non-political non-referendum-related work of a deranged individual.
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:31
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Yet there will be people who say that these attacks have nothing to do with the referendum or the rhetoric around it. When Jo Cox's killer comes to trial in November they'll be claiming it was the isolated non-political non-referendum-related work of a deranged individual.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-brexit-vote

As long as the hate crimes are against Poles etc. it will be OK, some deranged individual they will never catch.
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:36
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-brexit-vote

As long as the hate crimes are against Poles etc. it will be OK, some deranged individual they will never catch.
Apart from the complete lack of evidence that this was a "hate crime".
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:37
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Apart from the complete lack of evidence that this was a "hate crime".
You're right, it was a love crime. Eastern Europeans are never the victims of hate crimes, as I said.
Move along, nothing to see.
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:42
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Apart from the complete lack of evidence that this was a "hate crime".
So you mean that
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It is isn't worth asking yourself one question about the Harlow killing. Even if the men were not picked on by the gang solely because of their nationality, can we forcefully rule out that their “foreignness” has not in any way contributed to the brutality of the assault?
Any murder is a hate crime.
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:43
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You're right, it was a love crime. Eastern Europeans are never the victims of hate crimes, as I said.
Move along, nothing to see.
Yup, until investigators say something different, it's just the murder of an Eastern European guy in a town with amongst the highest Eastern European population the country.

Nothing to see here.
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:44
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Any murder is a hate crime.
No it's not.

http://www.report-it.org.uk/what_is_hate_crime
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:50
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Yup, until investigators say something different, it's just the murder of an Eastern European guy in a town with amongst the highest Eastern European population the country.
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Ship them to Australia.
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Yup, until investigators say something different, it's just the murder of an Eastern European guy in a town with amongst the highest Eastern European population the country.

Nothing to see here.
Correct: the seedy shops, worn out cars and buildings in some neighborhoods are in no way indicative of anything about the economy.

The people in the rubber boats crossing the med are all likely to be peaceful, wanting nothing more than to contribute to the economy, wear traditional english clothing, and join the COE too. Who could possibly want to refuse them entry?
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Old 08.09.2016, 09:58
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The people in the rubber boats crossing the med are all likely to be peaceful, wanting nothing more than to contribute to the economy, wear traditional english clothing, and join the COE too. Who could possibly want to refuse them entry?
So are the hate crimes justified then?



From the same article I quoted above

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Old 08.09.2016, 10:08
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...es-brexit-vote

As long as the hate crimes are against Poles etc. it will be OK, some deranged individual they will never catch.
First sentence of the article:

"Let me start with a disclaimer. We still do not know what was the motive behind the attack on a group of Polish men in Harlow over the bank holiday weekend that resulted in the death of 40-year-old Arkadiusz Jóźwik.".

That's one way of making racism/hate crime acceptable. Lower the bar for what it means.
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Old 08.09.2016, 10:11
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So are the hate crimes justified then?
Not in the least, ever, anywhere.

I was responding to someone who has claimed to see a trend or risk in one particular group of individuals or actions, the point being that then they can hardly claim that some other act in some other group of individuals is an isolated event and cannot be indicative of a trend or risk until conclusively proven so.
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That's one way of making racism/hate crime acceptable. Lower the bar for what it means.
Police should do their job regardless of race, creed or nationality of the victim. That's all.
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Old 08.09.2016, 10:16
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Re: is racism / hate crime becoming more acceptable?

Good God, just reading this link again. Basically, anyone with hurt feelings can be the victim of a "Hate Crime".

"A victim does not have to be a member of the group at which the hostility is targeted. In fact, anyone could be a victim of a hate crime."


http://www.report-it.org.uk/what_is_hate_crime
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Old 08.09.2016, 10:23
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Police should do their job regardless of race, creed or nationality of the victim. That's all.
Sorry, I didn't bother reading the whole article after that first sentence disclaimer. Is the hate crime charge against the murderer(s) or the police?

It seems the UK police are already all over the hate crime hysteria. They jump in for twitter posts nowadays. They love the publicity. Have they missed one?
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