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So funny how many people just flounce, claim bullying, shout racism, demand silence when a discussion doesn't go in the direction in which they want it to.
You twonk this discussion is about racism, good grief you are dumb.
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I think you lack context. The liberality in the West provides plenty of social mobility. Any honest person who has a wider awareness of the world could tell you what racism is like elsewhere. I think you play up racism for the sake of classism. I don't think it even serves those who you purport to stand up for.

Would you like to try any other countries?
I have lived in India, Thailand, Australia and the UK. I have close links to a Refugee organization in London, I have worked in development in the Caribbean as a coastal management specialist. I think I have a wide awareness of the world. I still don't understand, are you condoning racism? do you feel it has a necessary place in society, be it western or eastern?
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:55
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I have lived in India, Thailand, Australia and the UK. I have close links to a Refugee organization in London, I have worked in development in the Caribbean as a coastal management specialist. I think I have a wide awareness of the world. I still don't understand, are you condoning racism? do you feel it has a necessary place in society, be it western or eastern?
What makes you say I'm condoning racism? What I am excoriating is your overuse of allegations of racism. You actually seek to find it where it isn't actually there. I'm not sure why, but I do believe in contributes to a tendency in the West for a sort of cultural suicide. It also contributes to extremism. Yet I find it unnecessary, as the West is still the most liberal place in the World.

I can tell you I meet idiots everywhere, here included. I don't go burying my head to whine about being a victim of racism, nor do I think anyone else should. But you seem to want to encourage and enforce that.

There is a double standard there. When you start excoriating racism and the hate that is so evident in the rest of the world, then I might actually start to think you have some balance of fairness. At the moment, I think its counter productive.

Do you really want to hear what racism really is like in other parts of the world in comparison?
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I have lived in India, Thailand, Australia and the UK. I have close links to a Refugee organization in London, I have worked in development in the Caribbean as a coastal management specialist. I think I have a wide awareness of the world. I still don't understand, are you condoning racism? do you feel it has a necessary place in society, be it western or eastern?
As I understood Phos' position fairly early on in this thread he wasn't condoning racism, but rather was objecting to any critical thinking with respect to opening the borders being shut down as racism.

I myself hold the position that any nations duty is first and foremost to its own citizens and their future offspring.

This does not mean that I think the boat is full and that we should immediately close the borders, nor does it mean that I somehow condone or endorse suffering outside of a nation.

It does mean that increasingly, when I do object to some immigration policy as not in the best interests of the country I immediately attract the attention of both the left and the right. Either way, I end up looking like a racist, which I am not.
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Old 03.08.2016, 15:58
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Flounce? Who flounced? It is comments like the above which make me think that it is much better not to log on in the first place. Why waste BP and time on such garbage life's too short.
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:16
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As I understood Phos' position fairly early on in this thread he wasn't condoning racism, but rather was objecting to any critical thinking with respect to opening the borders being shut down as racism.

I myself hold the position that any nations duty is first and foremost to its own citizens and their future offspring.

This does not mean that I think the boat is full and that we should immediately close the borders, nor does it mean that I somehow condone or endorse suffering outside of a nation.

It does mean that increasingly, when I do object to some immigration policy as not in the best interests of the country I immediately attract the attention of both the left and the right. Either way, I end up looking like a racist, which I am not.
You are right in some respects there Jag, but its the vehemence with which certain themes are discussed that really pulls out the intolerance and prejudice in a persons arguments.

And if you look at the title of this thread, its exactly what we are discussing, is it acceptable, I was asking Phos if he/she thought it was acceptable.
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:18
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Flounce? Who flounced?
Well you did for a start, a while back.

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Old 03.08.2016, 16:21
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You are right in some respects there Jag, but its the vehemence with which certain themes are discussed that really pulls out the intolerance and prejudice in a persons arguments.
Does that apply to you too? If someone doesn't buy into your idealisation of tolerance, they are bigoted racists, or at least condones racism?

You're certainly not alone though. It seems to be a common knee jerk reaction with people of your persuasion.

What is it? Is it some kind of guilt complex?
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You are right in some respects there Jag, but its the vehemence with which certain themes are discussed that really pulls out the intolerance and prejudice in a persons arguments.

And if you look at the title of this thread, its exactly what we are discussing, is it acceptable, I was asking Phos if he/she thought it was acceptable.
There will always be vehemence. I think the only control we can exert is over our own posts. Shutting down someone else's argument because you don't like their tone isn't my style, nor is straw manning them on basis of their language usage.

If you're standing somewhere and someone shouts "Run you farking idiot, there is a fire!" what is the most suitable reaction:
1) object to their swearing?
2) object to them calling you an idiot?
3) react by either running, or evaluating the situation and where appropriate, scarpering?
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Does that apply to you too? If someone doesn't buy into your idealisation of tolerance, they are bigoted racists, or at least condones racism?

You're certainly not alone though. It seems to be a common knee jerk reaction with people of your persuasion.

What is it? Is it some kind of guilt complex?
"My persuasion" What do you mean by that? I have never met somebody who talks in circles without actually getting anywhere like you do on this forum. I am more then happy to have a debate with someone and take their side of the argument seriously, if they present anything vaguely coherent, but I suspect you could never see the woods for the trees, the sad thing is you constantly hijack any decent debate.
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:46
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"My persuasion" What do you mean by that? I have never met somebody who talks in circles without actually getting anywhere like you do on this forum. I am more then happy to have a debate with someone and take their side of the argument seriously, if they present anything vaguely coherent, but I suspect you could never see the woods for the trees, the sad thing is you constantly hijack any decent debate.
Okay, maybe that one touched a little too close, and you had to block and defend. I'll respect, leave you at that and leave you in peace. Have fun!
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Old 03.08.2016, 16:47
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"My persuasion" What do you mean by that? I have never met somebody who talks in circles without actually getting anywhere like you do on this forum. I am more then happy to have a debate with someone and take their side of the argument seriously, if they present anything vaguely coherent, but I suspect you could never see the woods for the trees, the sad thing is you constantly hijack any decent debate.
Oh come on - you've repeatedly thrown toys out of the tram.
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The difference in opinions here stems from those who have no actual knowledge of a country and rely on recordings of ancient history most of which are assumptions only, as the native tribes of Africa recorded nothing - passing on their traditions and lores by verbal stories related down generations. No common language between the tribes, no written language.

Africa was originally dominated by Arabian slave traders, who mined minerals using the indigenous black slaves they captured. They sold castrated black men to their own countries and China. (read reports by British explorers) The coasts of west Africa were landing stages for these Sultans and their ships. The island of Madagascar is still ruled by an Arabian Sultan.

The "ruins of Zimbabwe" were just that - ruins, with absolutely no knowledge of who constructed them - just a small stone built fortress found in a desolate countryside. There are many assumptions about them, but no real knowledge, as there are no written recordings - same as Stonehenge, the heads on Easter Island, Egyptian pyramids, Inca civilizations - all just assumptions of what they did, why they did, etc. Ancient ruins.

The Zulu tribes migrated south, met and fought the Boers migrating north. (written records)
Divided into two tribes with the Matabele returning north to settle in Rhodesia where they to this day still fight with the Shona residents who had settled there (written records by British explorers). The Zulus still reside in Natal. The original indigenous San tribe of SA are virtually non-existent today - sadly - as they were the ONLY folk inhabiting where the white people landed and farmed. As true nomads they never had contact with the white settlers, dwindling away into the deserts as civilizations encroached on their hunting grounds.

Every country in the world has had their indigenous folk. With civilization they got dominated and subjugated. Such is life on planet earth.

There is no way America is going to back down and hand over to the North American Indians - Australia to their Aborigines, New Zealand to their Maoris, etc. So why not agree to disagree and move on with this present discussion?

Title of this thread is "refugees in bunkers" - what it has to do with other countries I have no idea? Some folk here seem bent on wailing about their own injustices decades ago, as some sort of excuse to incorporate all and sundry from their unstable countries into Europe, instead of dwelling on the current problems in Europe stemming from this Trojan Horse invasion - which is how to (finance and) live peacefully side by side with a totally different culture that has not moved out of the middle ages - that still sees females as lesser beings with no human rights, who prowl the dark in gangs armed with knives, who are threatening the years of peaceful co-existence built up in European democracy?

Can their mind-set be altered by being forced to attend a few classes in mind-think alteration and behavior patterns? Baring in mind that what a child learns in childhood remains in behavior - are these African/Arabian/Islam minds able to adapt to European culture?
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Does that apply to you too? If someone doesn't buy into your idealisation of tolerance, they are bigoted racists, or at least condones racism?

You're certainly not alone though. It seems to be a common knee jerk reaction with people of your persuasion.

What is it? Is it some kind of guilt complex?
No.
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Guns is no solution.Was happy to hand all 4 in when I left SA.
I spent a total of 3 years in the military.Fought in the bush war.
Did riot patrols in the black townships, including police duties.
No thanks.I cannot deal with the non stop racial dialog and African
politics.I'm not going back.
And yet couldn't wait to get a gun licence and own guns in Switzerland Now I'm currently somewhat disabled (without benefits ...) but wielding a gun when disabled would be very difficult imho.
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parnell- are you telling me my OH's family history is not real and didn't happen? Apartheid was a vicious and racist system- and very recent too- VERY. It will take a looong time for SA to recover- and as long as the Blacks there remain so poor in shanty towns - it will take forever.

Yes, Blacks were often slaves brought over, and so were the Malays- my OH's ancestors, as well as Dutch, Nowegian and English. Oh and his sister were born there- of all the above for many many generations. Unlike me though, he doesn't have Huguenot roots- and yet the French Huguenot descendants in the Cape were very much involved in Apartheid - Eugène Terreblanche, a policeman at the time of Apartheid and leader of the Boers/Afrikanners, was not called so by chance (what a name!).
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Odile - no of course not - why would I tell you anything about your OH's history ? I'm not in a position to do that .

You did however get completely owned however on that thread by smoky who genuinely seems and seemed to know a vast amount more about African history than you did and do.
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Oh come on - you've repeatedly thrown toys out of the tram.
Here have a read of this - was quite something - you might even learn something:
I didn't learn anything by that Parnell, I am sorry! Not sure what you are getting at there posting an old post from Smokey. Is it that people from other cultures can't or won't adapt to new cultures? If it is, I don't believe that.

Repeatedly thrown toys out of the Pram.

I don't think so, it's just you like to get personal and it is infuriating, so your trolling works, at least you can take pleasure in that.
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I didn't learn anything by that Parnell, I am sorry! Not sure what you are getting at there posting an old post from Smokey. Is it that people from other cultures can't or won't adapt to new cultures? If it is, I don't believe that.

Repeatedly thrown toys out of the Pram.

I don't think so, it's just you like to get personal and it is infuriating, so your trolling works, at least you can take pleasure in that.
It's Smoky actually toots!
Also try reading it again - this time with your eyes open.

As to getting personal - nope - not my style.
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