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Old 27.08.2016, 16:35
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So commercial sponsored polls have more weight for you than a democratic referendum?

Eurosceptism is not really exclusive to the domain of the right wing. You now have leftists, such as Sarah Wagenknecht, and Arnaud Montebourg calling for a new EU deal. As well, we knew Jeremy Corbyn was really for Brexit, hence the problems with Labour today.

But go ahead, see if your self-talk helps.
That was a list of polls in countries that did not yet have any referenda on this topic; so there was no relevant democratic referendum to be given weight too.
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So commercial sponsored polls have more weight for you than a democratic referendum?

Eurosceptism is not really exclusive to the domain of the right wing. You now have leftists, such as Sarah Wagenknecht, and Arnaud Montebourg calling for a new EU deal. As well, we knew Jeremy Corbyn was really for Brexit, hence the problems with Labour today.

But go ahead, see if your self-talk helps.
Self talk?

Europeans tend not to refer to 'leftists' as we have a whole gamut of political parties on the spectrum. We tend to be more specific.

I have never alleged that Euroscepticism (please note the correct spelling) is the sole forte of the right wing parties. After all, I was raised during the era of 'Tony Benn', or as my dad always refered to him, Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn. But my dad had an allergy to people pretending to be something other than what they are, and people who had never done a hard day's work in their life.

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or as my dad always refered to him, Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn.
In our house he was referred to as Viscount Stansgate. We knew our place.
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Re: Will the UK actually leave the EU?

UK will never leave EU because Brexit process 'too complex', says top academic

"Prime Minister Theresa May 'will order a second referendum', predicts advisor for the Electoral Commission ... Government officials have dismissed Prof Brooks's predictions and insisted Article 50 will be invoked as planned."

The UK never leaving the EU sounds like wishful thinking. Not invoking Article 50 would mean a huge loss of face, and loss of votes to UKIP. A second referendum would also mean Theresa May going back on her word ("Theresa May said there would be “no attempts to remain inside the EU”, with no second referendum or “attempts to rejoin it by the backdoor”." source).
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Old 30.08.2016, 13:40
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UK will never leave EU because Brexit process 'too complex', says top academic

"Prime Minister Theresa May 'will order a second referendum', predicts advisor for the Electoral Commission ... Government officials have dismissed Prof Brooks's predictions and insisted Article 50 will be invoked as planned."

The UK never leaving the EU sounds like wishful thinking. Not invoking Article 50 would mean a huge loss of face, and loss of votes to UKIP. A second referendum would also mean Theresa May going back on her word ("Theresa May said there would be “no attempts to remain inside the EU”, with no second referendum or “attempts to rejoin it by the backdoor”." source).
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UK will never leave EU because Brexit process 'too complex', says top academic

"Prime Minister Theresa May 'will order a second referendum', predicts advisor for the Electoral Commission ... Government officials have dismissed Prof Brooks's predictions and insisted Article 50 will be invoked as planned."

The UK never leaving the EU sounds like wishful thinking. Not invoking Article 50 would mean a huge loss of face, and loss of votes to UKIP. A second referendum would also mean Theresa May going back on her word ("Theresa May said there would be “no attempts to remain inside the EU”, with no second referendum or “attempts to rejoin it by the backdoor”." source).
There wont be a second referendum.

Instead a big issue during the next general election will be about the relationship the UK will have with the EU post Brexit.

I think May is setting up Art. 50 to be invoked about a year before the general election is called.
So the general election will happen during the negotiations, and the winner will have a mandate to enforce regarding the final deal with the EU.

Gives the Tories a huge advantage on the domestic front, and puts some pressure on the EU too.

But no matter what happens with the EU, am sure May would not mind being PM for another five years.
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There wont be a second referendum.

Instead a big issue during the next general election will be about the relationship the UK will have with the EU post Brexit.

I think May is setting up Art. 50 to be invoked about a year before the general election is called.
So the general election will happen during the negotiations, and the winner will have a mandate to enforce regarding the final deal with the EU.

Gives the Tories a huge advantage on the domestic front, and puts some pressure on the EU too.

But no matter what happens with the EU, am sure May would not mind being PM for another five years.
Having elections during those two years would be very bad because the newly elected might face a situation they don't agree with at all, leaving even less time if they decided to start anew. An alternative could be that article 50 won't be invoked before the elections, and the elections in effect on whether it actually will be invoked.
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Having elections during those two years would be very bad because the newly elected might face a situation they don't agree with at all, leaving even less time if they decided to start anew. An alternative could be that article 50 won't be invoked before the elections, and the elections in effect on whether it actually will be invoked.
I *remember* reading (after the referendum) that after invoking Article 50, the UK can also cancel the revocation during those two years and so remain a member.

Did anyone else read this, or am I imagining things?
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Re: Will the UK actually leave the EU?

An article on the possibility of revoking Article 50.
http://www.pressreader.com/lebanon/t...81801398317886
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