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Old 03.10.2016, 12:16
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Poland abortion law

So what do you think of the protests on this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7341631.html
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Old 03.10.2016, 12:24
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Re: Poland abortion law

How do you think one should feel, Phil? If I would be Polish I'd be joining the crew. Women take one step forward in one part of the world, only to have the rug taken from under their feet some place else.

Religion and medicine should never mingle. But then again, I'm an agnostic feminist, so some people might think I am the devil incarnate.
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Re: Poland abortion law

I think the subject matter is one of the most emotive you can ever debate online. When I was a mod on a political forum, a single abortion debate required as much admin intervention as the entire Israel / Palestine section of the forum.

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Religion and medicine should never mingle. But then again, I'm an agnostic feminist, so some people might think I am the devil incarnate.
I'm an atheist post-feminist. I'm the devil's daughter
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Re: Poland abortion law

Wish a similar demonstration would happen in the States. Their laws are almost as restrictive, though not proposing criminalisation - yet.
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So what do you think of the protests on this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7341631.html
Cue jokes about the men having to make their own tea/coffee/lunch for a day?

You can tell that map you posted is by pro-lifers...

+1 for what Helm said (except for the "agnostic feminist, so some people might think I am the devil incarnate" bit).
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How do you think one should feel, Phil? If I would be Polish I'd be joining the crew. Women take one step forward in one part of the world, only to have the rug taken from under their feet some place else.

Religion and medicine should never mingle. But then again, I'm an agnostic feminist, so some people might think I am the devil incarnate.
+1, in a big, big way.
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Re: Poland abortion law

It's very sad that in 21st century, in the middle of Europe, people still have an urge to force their religious views on their compatriots.
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I doubt it'll get to four pages. EF isn't exactly the place for any kind of rational debate. Too many folk are convinced of their own rightness.

I know I am.
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Re: Poland abortion law

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Wish a similar demonstration would happen in the States. Their laws are almost as restrictive, though not proposing criminalisation - yet.
What a load of nonsense.

The US legalised it long before most European countries.

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So what do you think of the protests on this?
Protests are well and good. A democratic vote would be better.
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Re: Poland abortion law

I've always thought about how useful it would be when you have sex if there was a way of deciding if you actually wanted to create a new human being or were just having fun. Something like a Ctrl+Alt+Del combination involving maybe an earlobe, big toe and navel for example. Still, whilst many can't be bothered to use contraception or pull out in time, you''ll find some women resorting to abortion as their family planning go to.

I'm not against abortion, not at all. But women need to understand the trauma they may face as being similar to those who have to go in for their scrape out following a miscarriage. Freedom to care for your own body must always remain with the woman, not based on state interference. But that responsibility should, ideally, start at the point of conception, not as an afterthought when they realize they're pregnant.
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I've always thought about how useful it would be when you have sex if there was a way of deciding if you actually wanted to create a new human being or were just having fun. Something like a Ctrl+Alt+Del combination involving maybe an earlobe, big toe and navel for example. Still, whilst many can't be bothered to use contraception or pull out in time, you''ll find some women resorting to abortion as their family planning go to.
Umm there is always the option of throwing it on the navel..

Just to lower the tone
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Protests are well and good. A democratic vote would be better.
Democratic votes can backfire. I mean you might end up with people forcing...

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What other mechanism can you think of which is a better method of forming a body of law?

In the booth, on your own, you are supposed to reveal your true belief - this applies to confession and democracy. The difference between the two is that there is only one human in the voting booth expressing their view of right and wrong.

Perhaps you feel it should be completely unregulated. Surely that would be a poor situation, wouldn't it be better to have a law which says it must at least be performed by a qualified medical professional?
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Old 03.10.2016, 15:19
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Re: Poland abortion law

Forcing people to have babies which are known to be severely disabled is a cruel and unusual punishment!
Of course there are "saints" who willingly take on this lifetime commitment.
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I always had the impression that the US was the place were you got more talk and grandstanding and more protests both for and against abortion than in any other country.

In fact for cynical politcians its a gift that keeps on giving because every time you adjust the law, you create more opposition and know full well that at some point somebody will change the law back and thus you have a platform on which to get re-elected.

If somebody could find the ideal compromise a lot of politicians (on both sides) would lose a big vote catcher.
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Re: Poland abortion law

I thought one of the arguments for staying in the EU was that "it protects our human rights".

You reckon?
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What other mechanism can you think of which is a better method of forming a body of law?

In the booth, on your own, you are supposed to reveal your true belief - this applies to confession and democracy. The difference between the two is that there is only one human in the voting booth expressing their view of right and wrong.

Perhaps you feel it should be completely unregulated. Surely that would be a poor situation, wouldn't it be better to have a law which says it must at least be performed by a qualified medical professional?
Not at all. The UK regulates who can perform abortions, but makes no religious judgements on whether a woman can or cannot have an abortion if she chooses. That should be the norm/standard that every country aims for. Unfortunately, in Poland, US and other countries this isn't the case.

Whenever this sort of subject comes up I wish that men could experience the condition themselves. Then they may not be so eager to dictate to women on what they can and cannot do with their own bodies based on some stupid belief.
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