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Old 11.11.2016, 17:38
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The disgusting goes both ways, in case you thought I would be any less shocked/sad/disgusted if it is the other way around. I'm not.

That being said, assuming the video is real (cause these days, you never know and a video is not worth more or less than a Twitter comment or some smearings on a car as far as the "truth" is concerned), the most disturbing thing is that what seems like 10, 20 people just continue to sit there quietly and apparently can't be bothered to step in and help the girl. Lovely. Really.

What all this shows is how deeply divided the US - and the world - are on many many matters, as well as some of the consequences of that. I already said it, THIS is what disturbs me the most.
^ This, exactly. "It isn't happening if it isn't happening to me, but I might get some likes if I post that it is happening on my social media account."
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump will be a good president because the bar has been set so low for him. As long as he doesn't grab someone by the pussy or blow up the entire planet after a late night twitter squabble, his presidency will be view as good by many.

On a more serious note, Trump will be a good president because "it's the economy, stupid".
-Trump will inherit an economy that OK; not bad, not good, but OK.
-Ryan's budget will be one of the first things done.
-Clarity on the budget is USD positive and gets the credit agencies to re-evaluate their positions.
-Sprinkle in the reduced repatriation tax for US companies holding offshore funds and a reduction/simplification of the Tax code

These tailwinds are all positive for the US as a whole. Growth has been so anaemic in the past that YOY and other metrics will be easy to beat.

So the question is, will a rising tide lift all boats?
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Old 11.11.2016, 17:51
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So the question is, will a rising tide lift all boats?
So long as the boat doesn't have a hole in the hull. If it does, can you blame the tide?
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You should brush up on your US politics knowledge to understand what "right" means in the US. There's nothing, and I mean nothing, conservative about Trump.
There is nothing, and I mean nothing, political about Trump! That's the top and bottom of it! He only cares about numero uno all the freaking way, in both his personal and professional life.

It's a falsehood to claim that Dems voted Trump in because we just don't know that. I know Dems who left that section of the ballot sheet blank because they couldn't put their X next to any of the candidates in clear conscience. I would also suspect a lot of people voted for Trump who haven't voted in the last few elections.

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They say Trump is anti establishment. He does not look or live like a person who is anti establishment
True and again, because he is for himself only in all his personal and professional dealings.

There's one bit of body language that he uses with alarming frequency. He makes the ok hand gesture and brings into his body. We usually use the OK gesture to indicate we recognise shared accuracy, precision and agreement. The raised index finger emphasises "we've got this absolutely right", but then he brings his hand in towards himself which could mean "I've got this absolutely right."

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Several people have tried to research Trump’s micro-expressions, looking for discrepancies between his words and body language but they haven’t been able to find any – meaning Trump really believes what he’s saying. Last year one expert told UK newspaper The Independent: “Out of the seven channels of communication that I observed, he was consistent in all – therefore I conclude he was making statements that appeared to be consistent with his belief system.”
http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/25/w...-say-about-him

For anyone who thinks Trump may have been contentious just to get attention during the campaign, I don't believe a word of it. He's a rarity in politics because his body matches his words, so it's a decent bet to assume that it also matches his intentions.



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They say Trump is anti establishment. He does not look or live like a person who is anti establishment
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Old 11.11.2016, 17:55
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My 8 year old niece was also against trump because he's mean and fires people. She asked me why Clinton was bad, and I told her that's she accepted 10s of millions of dollars from a King who does let women in his kingdom drive cars, try on clothes or make up, go swimming, or talk to boys. She changed her side very quickly. Although she still thinks the president should be an attack helicopter..... So I guess she's still a Clinton supporter :P
"from a King" I hope you do not support this king by buying any products made from oil sourced there
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I reserve my opinion until I see what he actually does. So far, I heard a lot of campaign talk and no concrete, actually doable policy proposals or platform.

For one, I spent some time reading the Republican tax reform blueprint and there is a little bit of "We'll do A and B" and a whole lot of "...and a bunch of other stuff" - undefined/not determined. Not very encouraging, but we shall see.

For those who compare Trump to "The Governator" Arnold and to former President Reagan, I completely disagree. Arnold had the whole Kennedy family behind him to give him "tips" on what to do, and Reagan had an army of advisors whom he actually listened to.

If Trump appoints competent advisors and if he actually listens to them, perhaps.
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So, CNN has been covering Trump, and his inconsistencies, and his plans, and even pretended to understand that they completely misjudged what would happen at the voting booth, and praising the constitution, and shunning the riots and violence, while pointing out that Trump's two Tweets about the riots are not very "presidential".

They even showed the cute picture of Hillary out hiking.

Interestingly, although the undertone is that the nation is teetering on the edge of revolt, nobody has yet asked why Clinton, or Obama haven't stepped up to the microphone and spoken out against the riots.
Are they feeding the PE enough rope?

Personally, I think Hillary is best off keeping out of it, so that just leaves Obama. Hasn't he said his piece already in accepting the result and advising the nation to come together? I suspect he's taking a heap load of advice on exactly what to say at this point.

In all seriousness, what kind of response would you like or expect him to give?
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Old 11.11.2016, 18:11
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I reserve my opinion until I see what he actually does. So far, I heard a lot of campaign talk and no concrete, actually doable policy proposals or platform.

For one, I spent some time reading the Republican tax reform blueprint and there is a little bit of "We'll do A and B" and a whole lot of "...and a bunch of other stuff" - undefined/not determined. Not very encouraging, but we shall see.

For those who compare Trump to "The Governator" Arnold and to former President Reagan, I completely disagree. Arnold had the whole Kennedy family behind him to give him "tips" on what to do, and Reagan had an army of advisors whom he actually listened to.

If Trump appoints competent advisors and if he actually listens to them, perhaps.
You are probably the sanest person on here. What are your thoughts on some of the points in his contract for his first days?
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Old 11.11.2016, 18:17
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You are probably the sanest person on here.
No, it just means you have found someone you agree with. Congratulations.
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Old 11.11.2016, 18:18
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No, it just means you have found someone you agree with. Congratulations.
No, BokerTov is VERY level headed. She voted for Clinton, and she and I don't even agree.
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Personally, I think Hillary is best off keeping out of it, so that just leaves Obama. Hasn't he said his piece already in accepting the result and advising the nation to come together? I suspect he's taking a heap load of advice on exactly what to say at this point.
They were saying on the news yesterday that Obama will be staying on in Washington because his daughters are at school there and there's speculation that he'll write another book. Perhaps he'll reserve further comment until then.

I thought Trump looked like a fish out of water sitting alongside Obama. The difference in calibre between the pair of them is incredible.
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I thought Trump looked like a fish out of water sitting alongside Obama. The difference in calibre between the pair of them is incredible.
my thoughts exactly. he looked completely out of his depth and unsure what he should be doing. i think he'll be relying a lot on his advisers. maybe he'll learn a bit of humility in the next 4 years...
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

His look and demeanour looked very similar to that of Boris Johnson post Brexit actually Just a reality TV entertainer, some say ... at least Reagan was a decent actor- and had bothered to become Governor first

In the meantime, Boris is looking more tired and rattled by the day- his comments on snapping out of 'collective whingarama' doesn't sound very convincing, I have to say:

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In all seriousness, what kind of response would you like or expect him to give?
A simple plea to stop violent protest would be enough.
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7 and 10 year old kids don't even watch the news. And even if they did, there's hardly been wall to wall coverage over here of Trump shouting his vile mouth off.

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Really?!!!!!

If your username relates to your year of birth, then maybe you weren't a child who was exposed to the news, but when I was a kid, there was one tv in the home and the news was sacrosanct. If you couldn't be quiet whilst the news was on, you were banished to your bedroom until it was over.

I remember being 4yrs old and utterly convinced that Robert Dougal (who read the 1 O'Clock news) was Dougal the Dog from The Magic Roundabout with his hair tied back.
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I thought Trump looked like a fish out of water sitting alongside Obama. The difference in calibre between the pair of them is incredible.
It struck me that Obama had a 'fatherly' air about him and chose his words very carefully. It also struck me that Trump's trousers were too short, but that's just a pet peeve.

Moreso in recent years than any time I can remember before, the pressures of being a World leader have noticably aged our leaders. For Trump, "shit just got real", and some decisions he will make in the time ahead will literally be matters of life and death.

In my experience, there are four types of people...
1. The first work through a problem from A to B to C, etc...
2. The more gifted can instantly assess a problem from all angles and work through the solutions from A to B to C, etc...
3. Then there are people who throw money at a problem to make it go away.
4. Finally, the ones who ignore the problem and hope it will go away of it's own accord.

I just hope the PE is one of the first two.
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...when I was a kid, there was one tv in the home and the news was sacrosanct. If you couldn't be quiet whilst the news was on, you were banished to your bedroom until it was over...
Same here and the news seemed to go on forEVer even though it was probably a few hours between all the channels. We watched lots of PBS nature and science shows. I wasn't allowed to watch cartoons and we didn't watch TV series at night. When MTV came into existence my folks had it blocked at the box out in the alley so it couldn't even reach the box in the house. Meanies.
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I thought Trump looked like a fish out of water sitting alongside Obama. The difference in calibre between the pair of them is incredible.
Well that's because he IS a fish out of water
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You are probably the sanest person on here. What are your thoughts on some of the points in his contract for his first days?
Problem is there are too many candidates competing here for the converse title; maybe it is time for a poll?
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Same here and the news seemed to go on forEVer even though it was probably a few hours between all the channels. We watched lots of PBS nature and science shows. I wasn't allowed to watch cartoons and we didn't watch TV series at night. When MTV came into existence my folks had it blocked at the box out in the alley so it couldn't even reach the box in the house. Meanies.
When I was a child very few families had the necessary means to have access to national TV; maybe that explains some of my eccentricities
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