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You do realize at this point, that this man has no respect WHATSOEVER for the minorities? He's degraded jews, blacks, Mexicans, disabled, etc with no thought of the consequences. And he was just elected to the highest office in the USA.
Identity politics are a trap from which the Democrats are going to struggle to extract themselves from in the future.

Here's the vote spread across race and gender:
Clinton / Trump
White Men: 31 % / 63 %
White Women: 36 % / 52 %
Black Men: 80 % / 13 %
Black Women: 93 % / 4 %
Latino Men: 62 % / 33 %
Latino Women: 68 % / 26 %

So as we can see from the results, the least tribal ethnic group in the USA is white women, followed by white and latino men. If the left continues to view everything through the prism of identity politics and push this viewpoint into the political arena, they shouldn't be surprised if white people start reciprocating. If whites voted in a bloc for their own self-interest as much as blacks, they would win every election for the next fifty years.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

More than 30% of latinos voting for him is still a lot though, if you sum up all the votes he received from minorities in general it does count.
I also don't think it's fair to say that because more than 50% of latinos or women voted against him then they are against him in general.
It also cannot be ignored that many women do not consider him a sexist or condone the behaviour as "aah, men talk like that, it's no biggie".

One thing that surprised me a bit (or maybe not) is that non-white people are more likely to vote Trump if they have a college degree, from 20% to 23%.

For some more exit poll stats:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...on/exit-polls/

As for the original question, the thing about Trump is uncertainity, it's impossible to know what line he will take. From the speech I would say more institutional, and not something like Duterte. He's an ignorant when it comes to foreign policy, but he can choose a respected secretary of state and delegate those matters to him. For the rest, it will be choosing A or B like any other president I guess.
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Did he also eat children?
Only if they have been marinated and then slow roasted over a fire of burning kittens and freshly clubbed seals.
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For some more exit poll stats:
After the last 6 months, that statement should read...

For some more exit polls (we guessed and asked a few randoms) stats (we sprinkled a little fairy dust on the polls and turned them into our own special brand of 'truth'):

One thing we should have all learned by now is that polls mean bugger all.
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More than 30% of latinos voting for him is still a lot though, if you sum up all the votes he received from minorities in general it does count.
A case of "over-integration"?
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As for the original question, the thing about Trump is uncertainity, it's impossible to know what line he will take....

...He's an ignorant when it comes to foreign policy, but he can choose a respected secretary of state and delegate those matters to him. For the rest, it will be choosing A or B like any other president I guess.
Just keep him in Bob the Builder mode, let him get the country a few billion in debt rebuilding the infrastructure, and delegate all the serious stuff to someone with the tiniest modicum of common sense and knowledge. That way, you might salvage something halfway decent out of all this.

If he gets bored, you could let him do mens hair and grooming ads with BoJo! But whatever you do, never get him wet and never, ever, EVER feed him after midnight
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Because I am not a misanthrope, am Canadian (neighbours) and have lots of great American friends - I wish him success.

Lets be honest here, though. Is there anything - anything at all in his past that points to him being a good president? Has he shown himself to be anything but thin skinned and petty? Ego obsessed? Tacky? Angry? Has he shown integrity in his business and personal life? Has he ever shown any love of country expressed through any meaningful public service or philanthropic effort? Does he show aptitude for the real job at hand (aside from self promotion and stirring up negative sentiment). Does he show any exceptional intelligence? Knowledge of foreign or domestic affairs? Any sign of caring to know about foreign or domestic affairs?

No. no, no, no, no, and no. He has not done anything or behaved in any way that shows he is fit for this job. Quite the opposite. Why would the common man think he is on their side when he has a long list of slights against them (non payment, egregious lawsuits, poor treatment of employees) and even built a company whose main operation was to defraud them of money (Trump U).

I understand the need for change. I do. But he is a bad joke, that is making the whole country and its citizens look like a bad joke. The only consolation I take is that the worst of his traits will hopefully be kept in line by his handlers (i.e. keep the man away from Twitter, for the love of God).

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After the last 6 months, that statement should read...

For some more exit polls (we guessed and asked a few randoms) stats (we sprinkled a little fairy dust on the polls and turned them into our own special brand of 'truth'):

One thing we should have all learned by now is that polls mean bugger all.
Sure, but there are exit polls, and even with a margin of error of 5% or whatever you can still draw some conclusions from them.
I don't think polls are wrong in general, it's wrong how they report them, without margins of uncertainty and always blowing things out of proportion. To some people 51% automatically means majority or 100%, and 49% means against.
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No Tom,
The Hispanics voted massively against him. You did read the stats, right?
he did far better among the black and hispanic communities than Romney in 2012, that is the point.
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Only if they have been marinated and then slow roasted over a fire of burning kittens and freshly clubbed seals.
...using a ivory inlayed tropical hardwood club.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Now that the world had to accept a paradox of the presidential elections that DT has won despite all this wara-wara, I hope to believe in another paradox of him being a good president.

We are living in a contrarian world nowadays ...
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No, but he allegedly raped one.
And HRC allegedly had a dozen or more people killed to protect her own interests.

Allegations are easy, facts are hard. I don't like Trump, but he's got a Jewish son-in-law (and a converted daughter) who say that he's not an anti-Semite, so one of those groups should come off your list. I find it harder to argue the Mexican thing, but it's my suspicion that at least a portion of his perceived racism is due to his lack of eloquence.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Trump will be a good president if he sits back and lets everyone else manage the country and make the crucial decisions. If he snubs his advisers and starts to get very active and vocal in terms of pushing his own policies then there will surely be trouble.

We have seen during the campaign that he has a very irrational, juvenile and malicious side to his character, along with a fragile ego that lashes out when challenged, and these are most certainly not good qualities for any world leader.

Mass protests in multiple cities also clearly aren't a great start to any presidential term.

We simply have to wait and see how it pans out over the next months when things settle down and he gets comfortable.
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No, but he allegedly raped one.
Thank God the real world doesn't operate like the high Court of Facebook, where allegation=guilt.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Had this election been merely a personality contest, Hillary would have won hands down. But there were more at stake than merely these two personalities, and beyond their lifetime. This was a crucial election that would have determined the shape of the US for 50 or more years into the future.

This was somewhat a referendum on the left's social engineering agenda. The country was undergoing a cultural and political transmutation driven by ideology. Setting aside the value of that transmutation for a moment, nobody was asked whether or not they wanted it. It was only through this vote they were able to cast their opinions about it.

The country is going through change, which is a natural progression of time. But when it is being driven intentionally by some specialized interest with a dubious agenda, it causes people to disengage and even reject it. Trump's election puts a stop, a U-Turn, or a detour in this process. Hillary would have disfigured America through her stated ideology beyond the average American's recognition.

As for Trump, his personal character shows all kinds of traits that can easily be maligned. He certainly has confirmed many of them through his words and actions. But what he has done is succeed in pointing out the issues people care about, which others still are not able to comprehend. And he has also succeeded in accomplishing what he set out to do. This point is important, as we have been gridlocked for over a decade. The question is what he will set out to accomplish from his office during his time.

I really believed he needs to be closely watched and scrutinised. I would have been more comfortable with this had the House and Senate been turned over to the Democrats for balance. I don't like the idea the Republicans hold both Executive and Legislation. This is a very dangerous situation that will require honesty and integrity from the Republican party.

I think we should install cameras and recording devices all throughout the white house to observe his every moment on the job. He may even like that.
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Trump will be a good president if he sits back and lets everyone else manage the country and make the crucial decisions. If he snubs his advisers and starts to get very active and vocal in terms of pushing his own policies then there will surely be trouble.
^^THIS

If he is smarter than he looks and talks - this is what he will do. For all the debate, and him numerous perceived gaffs, the guy delivers in front of audience. He plays them. He knows what to say, to whom and when - or he is smart enough to be told to.

He went from zero to President - now that's pretty bloody clever.

The biggest benefit for the US economy is that every job vacancy can now be filled as the requirement "Experience necessary" is clearly BS.
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He went from zero to President
well, not exactly zero
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Allegations are easy, facts are hard.
Something Trump's not got his head around when publicly branding Hillary a criminal who should be locked up.

No fan of either of them but this kind of "judge, jury and executioner" style of rhetoric is probably something that turns people off to Trump.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

The biggest irony is that some people (still) consider Trump as being anti-establishment...

(and of course, an outsider, a "marginal", an anti-system, a "did well all by himself")



I wish I lived in their world. Honestly.
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