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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Interesting interviews in that link and also this
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Donald Trump’s election as president of the United States has emboldened white supremacists to target Hillary Clinton supporters and others with online harassment.

The neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer published a list of more than 50 Twitter users who had expressed fear about the outcome of the 2016 election, urging its readers to “punish” them with a barrage of tweets that would drive them to suicide.

“You can troll these people and definitely get some of them to kill themselves,” wrote the Daily Stormer’s publisher, Andrew Anglin.

Experts who have studied hate groups say white supremacists see Trump’s election as a victory for their ideology and a repudiation of multiculturalism. The outcome of the race has emboldened those who lurk in the Internet’s dark recesses to step up their attacks.

“We’re going to be hearing more about this — many different kinds of harassment of women, of people of color, of Muslims, linked directly to either Trump’s rhetoric or the alt right,” said Sophie Bjork-James, a post-doctoral scholar at Vanderbilt University’s anthropology department.
And yet you have some people telling everyone to get some thick skin, even the 7 or 9 y.o. kids. That would be helpful in real life situations..perhaps the understated idea is that people should know their place.
Well, the elections are over, Trump and Trump's America is a reality we'll have to learn how to process and deal with, the good part being that everything that will come from there will be seen with a healthy dose of cynicism from now on. America and other countries have always underestimated their huge capital of image. It would be a cold shower for some, hehe..
Of course we can't blame people voting against globalisation because globalisation doesn't work in their favour anymore (do we?), we all know that China has profited immensely from this Western creation.
But, apparently, (some? most?) people voted for Trump's "charisma" too, his way of "telling things as they are"...Freedom to shout anything you want..how will be that translated into daily life, we'll see. I only hope it won't turn out to be a case of "..but I didn't know that!"..
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What I'm struggling with in this era, is the freedom to divorce 'campaign talk' from reality and future action. Is this what the rest of us would see as bare faced lies, or is it consigned to the realms of 'locker room talk'?

As was said on 'Question Time' this week, this could be the first President where the people are actually hoping his campaign talk was lies.

I actually feel bloody sorry for Melania. She's had a ticket on her head for a long time, but now there are crosshairs too and a life as a very privileged single mum.
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Sorry, Im a bit confused on what you're trying to say/prove. The Washington post article cites only the WSJ interview. If there is anything in the former that didn't come from the latter, then I personally wouldn't take it too seriously. If x_user_lol@twitter is quoting the WP article on the WSJ article...already a few degrees of 'telephone' misinformation.
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Interesting interviews in that link and also this


And yet you have some people telling everyone to get some thick skin, even the 7 or 9 y.o. kids. That would be helpful in real life situations..perhaps the understated idea is that people should know their place.
Well, the elections are over, Trump and Trump's America is a reality we'll have to learn how to process and deal with, the good part being that everything that will come from there will be seen with a healthy dose of cynicism from now on. America and other countries have always underestimated their huge capital of image. It would be a cold shower for some, hehe..
Of course we can't blame people voting against globalisation because globalisation doesn't work in their favour anymore (do we?), we all know that China has profited immensely from this Western creation.
But, apparently, (some? most?) people voted for Trump's "charisma" too, his way of "telling things as they are"...Freedom to shout anything you want..how will be that translated into daily life, we'll see. I only hope it won't turn out to be a case of "..but I didn't know that!"..
i dont understand why people keep trotting out the "i bet the racists are going to hang the blacks again with trump" as THE argument against trump. so hypothetical (tweets dont count).

as it stands, the hillary supporters show themselves as the real, and violent, fascists in the streets. quite shocking to see how "normal" people are, not even not condemning it, but actually support it openly.

it really is pot-kettle. worse, because the kettle doesnt look so black to me apart from the few dozen kkk retards.

the argument is just not valid anymore because at best you can cross away the retards on both sides against eachother. its time to reset your prejudices.
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I actually feel bloody sorry for Melania. She's had a ticket on her head for a long time, but now there are crosshairs too and a life as a very privileged single mum.
Why? Big girl who's made her choices. She can even turn everything in her favour - start a fashion business on her own, and become a Carla Bruni of America. Or a Carla Bruni of some sort.
They're not too far apart, not really.

(seriously, not Melania is the problem here, she's only adding a bit of colour into an already colourful family)
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it really is pot-kettle. worse, because the kettle doesnt look so black to me apart from the few dozen kkk retards.
Isn't that bad enough for you? Revived and emboldened, that 'few dozen' will swell in numbers, when they should have been consigned to darkest realms of history by now. Just do a Google search for 'KKK Birmingham' to see the bile they're distributing there. How do you propose to stop that?
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(seriously, not Melania is the problem here, she's only adding a bit of colour into an already colourful family)
I don't see Melania as a problem at all, in fact, I wonder if she will take a fair amount of guidance from Michelle, particularly with regards to the 'World' she will need to create for her son to thrive.

Now Eric....he's a problem! Every time I look at him, I see the guy playing 'Dueling Banjos' in Deliverance.
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Isn't that bad enough for you? Revived and emboldened, that 'few dozen' will swell in numbers, when they should have been consigned to darkest realms of history by now. Just do a Google search for 'KKK Birmingham' to see the bile they're distributing there. How do you propose to stop that?
will swell in numbers? is that so? what if they dont? what if they do but all they do is keep jerking eachother off in the woods?

so there are a million normal people voting for trump for every kkk idiot voting for trump, so all trump voters are racist scum?

but why cant we apply this way of thinking to muslims and their extremists? at least there is actual violence and strong influence on society worldwide, unlike kkk
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

One should note the revival of many of these terrible groups came during the last 8 years. Blaming the politics at the time sounds pretty ridiculous. It almost seems like it's the militant-left who are giving these groups the new revival in a Streisand-effect. Not sure if they realize this, or it's done purposely to help them try and label Trump as racist.
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Isn't that bad enough for you? Revived and emboldened, that 'few dozen' will swell in numbers, when they should have been consigned to darkest realms of history by now. Just do a Google search for 'KKK Birmingham' to see the bile they're distributing there. How do you propose to stop that?
Why is the left giving a platform to these attention-seeking degenerates? They are irrelevant but some on the left are granting them legitimacy and status. That's a foolish and destructive thing to do.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Wow! You sure know how to make a huge leap from what has been said to worst case scenarios.

No, not all Trump supporters are racists, same as not all Brexit Leave voters are racist, but it's worth keeping one eye on the KKK and their activities (with the exception of jerking each other off in the woods ) because, as we've seen in the UK, and I believe a small number of US schools saw yesterday, this shit does embolden some people and it needs to be boxed off, not neglected.

You're going to get nowhere with a tit for tat attitude to extremism. All extremism is detrimental to society, no matter where it comes from. End of! But if you can't deal with your home grown extremism, you're going to be pretty buggered tackling anyone else's.
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One should note the revival of many of these terrible groups came during the last 8 years. Blaming the politics at the time sounds pretty ridiculous. It almost seems like it's the militant-left who are giving these groups the new revival in a Streisand-effect. Not sure if they realize this, or it's done purposely to help them try and label Trump as racist.
Get real!

I had 6yrs (2003-2009) of death threats from these crazies on an almost weekly basis. Have you?


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One should note the revival of many of these terrible groups came during the last 8 years. Blaming the politics at the time sounds pretty ridiculous. It almost seems like it's the militant-left who are giving these groups the new revival in a Streisand-effect. Not sure if they realize this, or it's done purposely to help them try and label Trump as racist.
I believe that more of these sorts of groups feel emboldened to come out in the open. So if the revial started over the past 8 years, then it's an ongoing response to Obama?

I don't have numbers, but I see reports of small incidents - kids in high school chanting white power, Latina and black children being threatened, muslim women having their head coverings ripped off. Swastikas painted on buildings here and there, an Asian woman being harassed in a bar. These small events seem to be more numerous.

These groups were certainly here before, but I honestly believe that the last 18 months of campaign has allowed some of them to become more bold.

The harassment of people on twitter sanctioned by the organization in the usa today piece is something I have honestly not seen before. I know the Trump administration does not support this, but still.. these groups grow.

You think I'm a left wing feminist rabble rouser? Fine. I'm also the child of a Jewish father whose family was decimated in the 1930's in Europe. I see very discomforting parallels. I'm not the only one either. And ffs, you'd think we would know better.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Meanwhile, Pew reports that Trump received a greater portion of Hispanic votes than Romney. Not nearly as much as GW or McCain, though.
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Get real!

I had 6yrs (2003-2009) of death threats from these crazies on an almost weekly basis. Have you?


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Again, I'm not saying that they didn't exist before, I'm making the comment that the governing party in power plays little role in increase in extremists behavior.

As for your weekly death threats, I feel terribly bad for you, it's a horrible thing to experience. But please don't compare your personal experiences on a semi-anonmous web-forum. Ever more importantly. Don't go tit-for-tat with someone else, whose history, background and experiences you know nothing about.

Extremely insensitive and crass.
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Why is the left giving a platform to these attention-seeking degenerates? They are irrelevant but some on the left are granting them legitimacy and status. That's a foolish and destructive thing to do.
Right, so if some wit targets you on twitter, or harasses your kid or paints a swastika on your garage, speaking up is granting legitimacy? Ignoring this kind of crap worked so well before.
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America's new royal family. Check out the photos of a forthcoming Trump-and-family interview complete with thrones and gold leaf, apparently recorded in one of his homes. It's comparable with the presidential palace of deposed Ukrainian president Victor Yanukovych.

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Sorry, Im a bit confused on what you're trying to say/prove. The Washington post article cites only the WSJ interview. If there is anything in the former that didn't come from the latter, then I personally wouldn't take it too seriously. If x_user_lol@twitter is quoting the WP article on the WSJ article...already a few degrees of 'telephone' misinformation.
"The Washington post article cites only the WSJ interview. " No, it does not. Did you only read the first sentence?

There are a whole series of quotes from Trumps team.....

"Im a bit confused on what you're trying to say/prove. " I am confirming the parallel between Trump and Brexit including reneging on most campaign promises.
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What I'm struggling with in this era, is the freedom to divorce 'campaign talk' from reality and future action. Is this what the rest of us would see as bare faced lies, or is it consigned to the realms of 'locker room talk'?

As was said on 'Question Time' this week, this could be the first President where the people are actually hoping his campaign talk was lies.

I actually feel bloody sorry for Melania. She's had a ticket on her head for a long time, but now there are crosshairs too and a life as a very privileged single mum.
"the freedom to divorce 'campaign talk' from reality and future action" Seems to be that lying during a campaign is OK!
So now how do you compare candidates when nothing they say is true
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I believe that more of these sorts of groups feel emboldened to come out in the open. So if the revial started over the past 8 years, then it's an ongoing response to Obama?

I don't have numbers, but I see reports of small incidents - kids in high school chanting white power, Latina and black children being threatened, muslim women having their head coverings ripped off. Swastikas painted on buildings here and there, an Asian woman being harassed in a bar. These small events seem to be more numerous.

These groups were certainly here before, but I honestly believe that the last 18 months of campaign has allowed some of them to become more bold.

The harassment of people on twitter sanctioned by the organization in the usa today piece is something I have honestly not seen before. I know the Trump administration does not support this, but still.. these groups grow.

You think I'm a left wing feminist rabble rouser? Fine. I'm also the child of a Jewish father whose family was decimated in the 1930's in Europe. I see very discomforting parallels. I'm not the only one either. And ffs, you'd think we would know better.
more importantly, they are fake as hell. anyone can tweet some shit or even write trump on the wall. you do not understand that people WANT to see racism because its good to play the victim in hillarys world. easier to blame the white man for your shitty life instead of working on it. as long as this circlejerk exists among the libs, you will keep seeing "racism".

your last paragraph basically applies to me as well, but im looking over my left shoulder instead of the right if i had to choose one.
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