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Right, so if some wit targets you on twitter, or harasses your kid or paints a swastika on your garage, speaking up is granting legitimacy? Ignoring this kind of crap worked so well before.
That's not what I said. I am referring to leftists pumping up the KKK in general. I'm not talking about people who have been threatened.

Don't you get the feeling that a lot of this hate-group reporting is meant to scare you and wind you up? Do you ever get the feeling that you're getting played?

I question why the media enjoys doing that
. (If we ever descended to an outright race war, the media would be thrilled.)
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the real question we should be asking is why the silent vote was so massive.
Just looking the comments on here, the kinds of sources they choose to believe, and the conclusions they jump to should already demonstrate how its all a case of the blind leading the blind.
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"The Washington post article cites only the WSJ interview. " No, it does not. Did you only read the first sentence?

There are a whole series of quotes from Trumps team.....

"Im a bit confused on what you're trying to say/prove. " I am confirming the parallel between Trump and Brexit including reneging on most campaign promises.
Alright, now I know where the confusion comes from. You are referring to brexit, where I have never commented or have given any contribution on that topic.... Not sure why you were quoting me with regards to brexit.
I was only referring to clarification on the comment on Healthcare, and ensuring the facts and sources were as legit as possible.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think the Left's mourning process will be lasting way into next year and beyond. Trump hasn't even stepped into office yet. We are still only hearing echoes of the initial shock. The rest of this could go on for years, or maybe even never for some:

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As for your weekly death threats, I feel terribly bad for you, it's a horrible thing to experience. But please don't compare your personal experiences on a semi-anonmous web-forum.
I don't feel bad about it, and it was far from annonymous, and largely down to one particular organisation in the US. I was spared the main onslaught from them because I was UK based at the time, but they were far too good at obtaining the home phone numbers of some of my US colleagues. One of the US female members of the team had to delete her account because of this crap. And yes, before you go there, US law agencies were informed, involved and monitored the situation to the point where we were told not to ban a certain member because they were tracing him via IP addresses, etc, that he used.

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Ever more importantly. Don't go tit-for-tat with someone else, whose history, background and experiences you know nothing about.

Extremely insensitive and crass.
So we're not allowed to debate with you?
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more importantly, they are fake as hell. anyone can tweet some shit or even write trump on the wall. you do not understand that people WANT to see racism because its good to play the victim in hillarys world. easier to blame the white man for your shitty life instead of working on it. as long as this circlejerk exists among the libs, you will keep seeing "racism".

your last paragraph basically applies to me as well, but im looking over my left shoulder instead of the right if i had to choose one.
To each his/her own. I think you're just as deluded as you believe I am and that's all there is to that. Usually I'm not looking back at all, by the way.

I did want to mention that I don't think Trump is racist, he's too pragmatic. But he needs to watch his base.

I do agree with you on one point, though. We really do need to understand why so many people failed to vote.
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The Trump/Pence supporters in the South are referred to as rednecks. It's those rednecks that are the most pro-Jewish and pro-Israel voting block in the US. Yet the media would have you believe that they're a bunch of antisemites.

The Left are the antisemites in today's world, both in the US and especially the UK. Yet the media is scaring Jewish people into thinking it's the Republicans that are antisemites. They're manipulating you.

And Trump, although the biggest douchebag to get elected to the Presidency since LBJ, reportedly was the first to desegregate his golf club in Florida (WSJ article from 1997) and open them to blacks and Jews, yet the media has people believing that he's Hitler's shadow. Is he an arsehole? Undoubtedly. Is he an antisemite? Does he hate blacks? Definitely not.

And the media would have you believe that Trump, a twice-divorced atheist, will impose theocracy on the US. It's so transparently false.

The left crying wolf about the Republican candidate every four years is why so many people could still hold their noses and vote for Trump. It's completely counterproductive for leftists to do this but they persist.
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Just looking the comments on here, the kinds of sources they choose to believe, and the conclusions they jump to should already demonstrate how its all a case of the blind leading the blind.
Well even that's a significant improvement on anything you're likely to come up with.

I thought we'd established that you didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, and advised other people not to vote either. You made your vote worth nothing. You made it null and void. Well forgive me for ignoring your opinion on any of this because you couldn't be bloody arsed to even cast your vote, and more to the point, you advised others to do the same.
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I don't feel bad about it, and it was far from annonymous, and largely down to one particular organisation in the US. I was spared the main onslaught from them because I was UK based at the time, but they were far too good at obtaining the home phone numbers of some of my US colleagues. One of the US female members of the team had to delete her account because of this crap. And yes, before you go there, US law agencies were informed, involved and monitored the situation to the point where we were told not to ban a certain member because they were tracing him via IP addresses, etc, that he used.

So we're not allowed to debate with you?

You don't feel bad about it? I would always feel bad if someone received death threats...that's very serious and very scary ordeal to go through.

Of course debate is always encouraged., but asking whether my experiences are similar to yours in order to legitimize them is useless. If I haven't encountered discrimination, does that mean everything you argue is correct and I am incorrect? If I have experienced worse discrimination than you, am I now automatically correct and you are wrong? How do we prove who had it worse. Wanna get together and have a pissing contest of the bigger victim?
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Protesting crybabies of all ages....

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The Left are the antisemites in today's world, both in the US and especially the UK. Yet the media is scaring Jewish people into thinking it's the Republicans that are antisemites. They're manipulating you.
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And the media would have you believe that Trump, a twice-divorced atheist, will impose theocracy on the US. It's so transparently false.

The left crying wolf about the Republican candidate every four years is why so many people could still hold their noses and vote for Trump. It's completely counterproductive for leftists to do this but they persist.

I'd also like to see a draining of the news media swamp along with this. Already, New York Times is asking its readers not to give up on it, and offered a mea culpa for getting it so wrong. Unfortunately, it stopped short of admitting it deliberately misled.

We need a clearing out of news media purporting to be unbiased, as well as the 3 network channels. Or at least label them for the biased propaganda machines they are.

As for what the left believe, well, by nature, I don't think bias really matters to them as long as it is subjective to their agendas.
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but asking whether my experiences are similar to yours in order to legitimize them is useless
it's part of Blueangel's MO to try to de-legitimise your arguments by questioning experience rather than argue the points.
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You don't feel bad about it? I would always feel bad if someone received death threats...that's very serious and very scary ordeal to go through.

Of course debate is always encouraged., but asking whether my experiences are similar to yours in order to legitimize them is useless. If I haven't encountered discrimination, does that mean everything you argue is correct and I am incorrect? If I have experienced worse discrimination than you, am I now automatically correct and you are wrong? How do we prove who had it worse. Wanna get together and have a pissing contest of the bigger victim?
You really don't get this, do you?!

I was not scared one tiny iota because I had the Atlantic Ocean between me and them, and they couldn't be bothered cobbling together the air fare. Losers! I was rightly concerned for my US colleagues however.

I'm nobody's victim. Never have been, never will be! I'm far too headstrong, stubborn and downright bloody arrogant to ever be a victim.

My entire posts on this aspect are to show that these people didn't suddenly grow in numbers or activity with the Obama Presidency. They were doing just fine under GWB too. If you turn a blind eye and ignore this crap, it's never going to go away.

In the first 8months of the forum I worked on, my 'watch' was from 8am-3pm GMT. EST would come online at 2pm GMT and we did a shift handover. I was averaging 40-100 accounts banned and deleted per shift from one far right organisation.
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The Trump/Pence supporters in the South are referred to as rednecks. It's those rednecks that are the most pro-Jewish and pro-Israel voting block in the US. Yet the media would have you believe that they're a bunch of antisemites.

The Left are the antisemites in today's world, both in the US and especially the UK. Yet the media is scaring Jewish people into thinking it's the Republicans that are antisemites. They're manipulating you.

And Trump, although the biggest douchebag to get elected to the Presidency since LBJ, reportedly was the first to desegregate his golf club in Florida (WSJ article from 1997) and open them to blacks and Jews, yet the media has people believing that he's Hitler's shadow. Is he an arsehole? Undoubtedly. Is he an antisemite? Does he hate blacks? Definitely not.

And the media would have you believe that Trump, a twice-divorced atheist, will impose theocracy on the US. It's so transparently false.

The left crying wolf about the Republican candidate every four years is why so many people could still hold their noses and vote for Trump. It's completely counterproductive for leftists to do this but they persist.
one more time. Trump is not a racist, he is not an Anti Semite. He is far too pragmatic for that. He doesn't give a rat's a$$ about religion or sexual orientation.

But. He has aligned himself with the Republican party, Mike Pence his VP, is a throwback to the Spanish Inquisition.

Trump's base consists of regular normal people in addition to a fringe of racist, KKK anti Semitic, anti Muslim groups. The fringe feels emboldened by Trump's election and so far neither Trump nor his people have spoken out about it.


By the way, not all Jews are pro Israel, but this is neither the time nor place for that discussion.

I'm done here for today, thank you.
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Trump's comment on healthcare was a good sign of rationality and pragmatism. Healthcare has been a problem they have ben trying to solve since the late 60's. Hillary tried it as First Lady and failed. It has actually been a feat to solve the question of pre-existing condition and universal. The only problem is Obama's version is causing premiums to skyrocket, doctors to deregister, and the quality worsen. It made me laugh to read Trump say he will make it "cheaper and better". It took about 50 years to get to Obamacare.

He can't really unilaterally undo Obamacare. He needs Congress with that. And doing it abruptly can hurt a lot of Americans. But the biggest problems to Healthcare has more to do with the Pharmaceutical, FDA, hospitals and the insurance industry. It is these special interests that have tied the issue into a gordian knot.

Trump can take a sword and slice that knot open, but he shouldn't do that if it hurts Americans. That is not his objective. But if he can do it while protecting Americans, even if it makes politicians and special interest industries squeal and scream, I would hope he slice through it unhesitatingly.
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But. He has aligned himself with the Republican party,
Are you saying that the Republican party is racist and antisemitic but that Trump is not?

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Mike Pence his VP, is a throwback to the Spanish Inquisition.
Why do you say this about Pence? Because he's a Christian? Is that so terrible? I'm an atheist and I'm not concerned.

Are you sure you're not engaging in anti-Christian bigotry here? That might explain the fear-mongering regarding the guy.

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By the way, not all Jews are pro Israel, but this is neither the time nor place for that discussion.
I know. That's why I said the southerners were the most pro-Israel voting block in the US and not Jewish Americans themselves.
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From the WaPo and NY Post“This is my confession — and explanation: I — a 51-year-old, a Muslim, an immigrant woman ‘of color’ — am one of those silent voters for Donald Trump. And I’m not a ‘bigot,’ ‘racist,’ ‘chauvinist’ or ‘white supremacist,’ as Trump voters are being called, nor part of some ‘whitelash,” Nomani explained in her column.

“I most certainly reject the trifecta of ‘hatred/division/ignorance.’ I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change. But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare…Finally, as a liberal Muslim who has experienced, first-hand, Islamic extremism in this world, I have been opposed to the decision by President Obama and the Democratic Party to tap dance around the “Islam” in Islamic State.”

She teaches Journalism at Georgetown. I wonder how much longer she'll be allowed to do that now that she's come out of the closet.
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There are ..... Christians and .... Chistians.

Some are vociferously 'pro-life' (call it anti-abortionists) and anti-gay and the same are usually too often creationists - some are not. Most ot the tea-party type Republicans are all 3... hence the concern. Not Christianity per se. A bit like Islam- Christianity comes in a multiplicity of vastly different guises.

As for the difference between antisemitism and anti Israeli expansion and treatment of Palestine- I can't believe it has to be explained again sigh.
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There are ..... Christians and .... Chistians.

Some are vociferously 'pro-life' (call it anti-abortionists) and anti-gay and the same are usually too often creationists - some are not. Most ot the tea-party Republicans are all 3... hence the concern. Not Christianity per se. A bit like Islam- Christianity comes in a multiplicity of vastly different guises.
The Tea Party avoided social and religious issues and focused on respecting Constitutional constraints and avoiding bankruptcy (astutely, in my opinion). The Tea Party movement did not involve creationism or gay issues. You need to bust out of the European media bubble.
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Do you really think that because we live in Europe we are not in contact and discussions, over many years- with the people from the USA and heard from their own mouth the **** some of them spout- and how they mirror Fox News or vice-versa?
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