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That flower power generation became self-absorbed by the 70's, and merely sought their own personal stimulations - the same Me generation. Meanwhile, Trump renovated abandoned buildings and built skyscrapers to rebuild NYC. And then Giuliani cleaned up the streets and made NYC a stand-up city again.

That is why these guys have greater potential than the likes of Hillary.
Yeah, without Trump, no building in Manhattan would have gotten over 5 stories.

What a load of crap.
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The "establishment" hasn't even left yet. Trump's inauguration is on Jan. 20th.

There will be swamp draining in due course of time. More effective then targeting individual politicians are systemic laws for term limits and foreign lobbying. Laws leave legacy, while executive orders are merely temporal.

Priebus has the required experience to work Washington. If Priebus doesn't follow the then president's directions, he would have to resign well before the mid-term elections.

Be hopeful!
I believe in the multiverse theory.
Because of that, I can only conclude that you have somehow managed to find a rip in space-time, and that you aren't aware of Trump in this universe, because in the universe you came from, Trump is indeed a bastion of integrity.

A quarter of his transition team is made up of immediate family. The rest is primarily lobbyists and loyalists.

Trump will not be draining any swamp. He will be bathing in the mud himself.
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Old 14.11.2016, 13:45
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I believe in the multiverse theory.
Because of that, I can only conclude that you have somehow managed to find a rip in space-time, and that you aren't aware of Trump in this universe, because in the universe you came from, Trump is indeed a bastion of integrity.

A quarter of his transition team is made up of immediate family. The rest is primarily lobbyists and loyalists.

Trump will not be draining any swamp. He will be bathing in the mud himself.
I think you are trying desperately to stoke the fires of a dying narrative. But the problem here is that when a narrative does not support reality, it naturally dies out. Forget narratives and watch end results.
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I think you are trying desperately to stoke the fires of a dying narrative. But the problem here is that when a narrative does not support reality, it naturally dies out. Forget narratives and watch end results.
In your universe you can see the end results? Congratulations!

We do not need a narrative to support reality; we see reality
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Old 14.11.2016, 13:52
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In your universe you can see the end results? Congratulations!

We do not need a narrative to support reality; we see reality
Yet your posts consists of fantasies, conjectures and paranoid nightmares.
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Yet your posts consists of fantasies and paranoid nightmares.
To be fair, yours are hardly based on fact, are they? It's just what you surmise. As it happens I hope you're right otherwise the world is probably heading for some stormy seas.
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Old 14.11.2016, 14:00
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To be fair, yours are hardly based on fact, are they? It's just what you surmise. As it happens I hope you're right otherwise the world is probably heading for some stormy seas.
I think what we saw was the piercing of a dream world. You may be right that we are heading for stormy seas. Nobody guarantees anything otherwise. Anyone who does is likely lying to you.
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Yet your posts consists of fantasies, conjectures and paranoid nightmares.
Whereas in an impetuous mood you have rather naively swallowed the whole Trump apologue.
I hope you are correct but rather like the other fable about the Emporers clothes the reality is here if you open your eyes.
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What about supply and demand?

A company only reduces wages if it can get away with it. Having plenty of unemployed people queuing for a job makes it easy to fire people or decrease their wages. You can always find somebody prepared to do the same work for less.

With lower unemployment, people would be more difficult to replace. Hence companies would treat their employees better.

Immigraion is a tool for ensuring there is always suifficient unemployment that employers can give their people a raw deal. It is market distortion by the government. That's why big corporations like it.

But certainly the availability of immigrant work force is doubled by the fact that some jobs are simply disappearing, isn't it? The public backlash caused by the companies' decisions to move jobs to lower-cost countries is something that Trump has paddled on during his campaign and it proved to be one of the winning ideas.

Thinking of this - you can't possibly blame everything on the immigrants because a lot of companies are not willing to engage in certain types of business at home. It's just not efficient to do that there, not anymore. I was just trying to imagine a US of A that starts producing everything they need again, stops moving jobs to lower-costs countries, stops imports, build a wall around them, things like that.
Do you really think a nice, old autarchic society is still possible?

Entrepreneurial spirit is something that works when it's encouraged not punished, sufficiently stating that companies get away easily is silly. A lot of small and medium sized businesses cannot afford to pay those kind of wages some people expect to be payed, that's the reality. Blaming on them that they need a motivation i.e. profit for functioning is more than silly, it's idiotic. A lot of businesses of this kind cannot function if they have high costs. What's worse - kill any entrepreneurial spirit and delegate it only to big companies or accept that the immigration can also work on some social level? Is it everything so black and white and everything can be simply and easily fixed in Trump's world? I wonder.
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Old 14.11.2016, 14:39
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So, because companies can get away with it, it should be ok for them to do it?
No, it's not OK. But they do it nevertheless.

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The jobs primarily affected are unskilled jobs, where there is always an oversupply, regardless of immigration. based on what you just said, companies would be dropping wages regardless of the immigrants.
There is upward social mobility and there is downward social mobility but the upward mobility is far stronger. If the governmernt didn't keep replenishing the pool of unskilled labour, there would eventually be a shortage. And that would drive up wages.
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Whereas in an impetuous mood you have rather naively swallowed the whole Trump apologue.
I hope you are correct but rather like the other fable about the Emporers clothes the reality is here if you open your eyes.
Oh, I have no fantasies nor illusions about Trump. He can fail miserably, yet he can also succeed tremendously. I'm just rooting for his success, as it adds to mine. If he stays on point, I think he's more likely to succeed for a lot America. Can't say the same for others who aren't exactly in favor of America.
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Oh, I have no fantasies nor illusions about Trump. He can fail miserably, yet he can also succeed tremendously. I'm just rooting for his success, as it adds to mine. If he stays on point, I think he's more likely to succeed for a lot America. Can't say the same for others who aren't exactly in favor of America.
To root for anybody to fail is a bit sick in my opinion.

Basically people who say that are ready to punish millions because they don't like their leaders.
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To root for anybody to fail is a bit sick in my opinion.

Basically people who say that are ready to punish millions because they don't like their leaders.
Or maybe some people don't share Phos' rosy-tinted view of the future? It's ok to differ, you know.

Disagreeing with Phos doesn't automatically mean you're hoping society is doomed to fail. He could actually be wrong himself and everything goes tits up starting in January and only showing some hope of recovery when the US casts its ballot again in 2020.

It's all on the table.
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Or maybe some people don't share Phos' rosy-tinted view of the future? It's ok to differ, you know.

Disagreeing with Phos doesn't automatically mean you're hoping society is doomed to fail. He could actually be wrong himself and everything goes tits up starting in January and only showing some hope of recovery when the US casts its ballot again in 2020.

It's all on the table.

Over 60 million people voted for him, and I wasn't even one of them. All I'm saying is get a grip.
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But certainly the availability of immigrant work force is doubled by the fact that some jobs are simply disappearing, isn't it? The public backlash caused by the companies' decisions to move jobs to lower-cost countries is something that Trump has paddled on during his campaign and it proved to be one of the winning ideas.
Some jobs are disappearing because of computers and automation. This is partly offset by social mobility, the children of working class people get an education and then work middle class jobs. So good.

Some jobs are disappearing because they are going overseas. This means that either employers canot fill those positions at home or overseas is cheaper. Either way, they are accepting that wages at home are rising. So good.

Some jobs are not disappearing but are just being payed lousily because employers are benefiting from high unemployment. So bad.

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Entrepreneurial spirit is something that works when it's encouraged not punished, sufficiently stating that companies get away easily is silly. A lot of small and medium sized businesses cannot afford to pay those kind of wages some people expect to be payed, that's the reality. Blaming on them that they need a motivation i.e. profit for functioning is more than silly, it's idiotic. A lot of businesses of this kind cannot function if they have high costs. What's worse - kill any entrepreneurial spirit and delegate it only to big companies or accept that the immigration can also work on some social level? Is it everything so black and white and everything can be simply and easily fixed in Trump's world? I wonder.
Ok, let's assume you are right. Entrepreneurs need to pay poor wages to survive in a tough market. And by extension in order to find people prepared to work for those wages, they need a high unemployment rate. Therefore the government needs to artificially increase unemployment for the sake of entrtepreneurs.

Have you noticed that that arguments also kills other ways of helping the poor, such as minimum wage?

Also, I would say that if an entrepreneur relies on paying people poorly, he's not particularly innovative in terms of his business model. Those are not the type of entrepreneurs we should really be supporting.
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Some jobs are disappearing because of computers and automation. This is partly offset by social mobility, the children of working class people get an education and then work middle class jobs. So good.

Some jobs are disappearing because they are going overseas. This means that either employers canot fill those positions at home or overseas is cheaper. Either way, they are accepting that wages at home are rising. So good.

Some jobs are not disappearing but are just being payed lousily because employers are benefiting from high unemployment. So bad.
Good, then we agree that immigrants and lousily payed jobs are only a part of this paradigm.

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Ok, let's assume you are right. Entrepreneurs need to pay poor wages to survive in a tough market. And by extension in order to find people prepared to work for those wages, they need a high unemployment rate. Therefore the government needs to artificially increase unemployment for the sake of entrtepreneurs.

Have you noticed that that arguments also kills other ways of helping the poor, such as minimum wage?

Also, I would say that if an entrepreneur relies on paying people poorly, he's not particularly innovative in terms of his business model. Those are not the type of entrepreneurs we should really be supporting.
Your argument is based on a logical fallacy. I haven't said that every entrepreneur needs to pay poor wages, I merely noticed that a lot of small and medium-sized companies can function because they can use work force that accepts lower wages. This can be a restaurant, a hotel/motel, a cleaning company, what not. Even high-tech startups can use a bit of this in order to grow.
In an ideal labour market everyone should get payed according to the highest possible standards, in reality, not. And it's not always the companies' or the immigrants' fault.

Anyway, please feel free to dismiss any attempt of trying to counter-balance the bad immigrants poor blue collar native rhetorics, do it in the usual way - straw man arguments, and let's be done with this futile discussion.

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It's nice that you're using this space spew your own brand of hatred. Yes, do tell us how we're bigoted, have retarded thinking, prone to violence. You really are a very nasty bunch. Your main form of discussion is insult, so what's the point in engaging? Not even a touch of humor.
Who are you referring to?
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Your argument is based on a logical fallacy. I haven't said that every entrepreneur needs to pay poor wages, I merely noticed that a lot of small and medium-sized companies can function because they can use work force that accepts lower wages. This can be a restaurant, a hotel/motel, a cleaning company, what not. Even high-tech startups can use a bit of this in order to grow.
There is a big differenvce between cutting edge innovative companies such as technology startups that create value and jobs, and things like restaurants and hotels that just abstract business from other restaurants and hotels who maybe are paying decent wages, or could be if there wasn't so much competition that basically only survives because it is benefitting from an artificially inflated unemployment. These hotels and restaurants are thus not really creating jobs but just pretending to.

Maybe if you are part of a software startup, you accept that during the first couple of years you're going to be living in a basement and eating dead rats and cat food, because if things pan out well you might well end up as the next Bill Gates in 30 years time.

But a guy washing dishes and living under the same conditions is not having his suffering offset by the propsect of becoming anything like that.

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In an ideal labour market everyone should get payed according to the highest possible standards, in reality, not. And it's not always the companies' or the immigrants' fault.
No, it's the governments fault, for wrongly believeing that high unemployment is good for people.
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