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well, not exactly zero
In terms of % chance of winning he did.

1 year ago he was down in the 30s - and Clinton high 50s. And back in May last year he was 8th on the list of Republican candidates. 6 weeks after announcing his official candidacy he was the clear Republican favourite at around 25%.

What is more amusing is that in the week running up to his election he was averaging 21point unfavourable (37.5 vs 58.5) - and yet he won.
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The biggest irony is that some people (still) consider Trump as being anti-establishment...

I wish I lived in their world.
You could try to apply for a green card, but why would you want to move there when so many say they will be moving to Canada? Perhaps its not really irony, but your miscomprehension of the situation?
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No, but he allegedly raped one.
Sounds familiar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick
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The biggest benefit for the US economy is that every job vacancy can now be filled as the requirement "Experience necessary" is clearly BS.
Yeah. Let's wait 4 years before settling on that...
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Something Trump's not got his head around when publicly branding Hillary a criminal who should be locked up.
That was just 'campaign talk' all candidates do it!

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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Hate him or like him, we will have to live with the fact that a majority in the US (and UK and potentially other countries as well) are fed up with the way their countries are being run.


Since 1960 we have been indoctrinated with globalization, migration and integration as being good things, and everyone who thinks different is a racist, fascist, communist etc.


Fifty years later many feel that this doctrine has not delivered any progress to them. In many places there is an outright fear that their values and those of their offspring will be replaced by those that migrated and didn't bother to integrate.


People like Trump are simply catering to this crowd, as establishment parties are content on retaining the status quo for their own benefit.


Someone in this thread mentioned that those that voted for Trump also have a disregard for minorities and immigrants, and he/she is absolutely correct. If you would do a secret poll in Europe I would expect most to state that muslims are now welcomed. The fact that the polls did not predict a Brexit or Trump win is simply because people do not want to be labeled a racist and hide their views. Now that these thoughts are becoming more mainstream I expect this way of thinking to gather much more momentum.


A scary thought for those that crave stability, but nothing unprecedented if you look back at history...
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I've been wrong about everything concerning him until now, so I'm gonna say no and hope the pattern continues.

Even in the worst case, he becomes Putin's bitch and Russia takes Europe, I won't need to learn Russian like you guys.
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That was just 'campaign talk' all candidate do it!
I know, and that's what I meant but I was pointing out that with many people that kind of cheap shot turns them off. The fact it was all hot air in the first place actually makes it worse.
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Old 10.11.2016, 10:42
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That was just 'campaign talk' all candidate do it!
Hillary as a crook is not something Trump invented. She was under numerous FBI investigations. Her whole career has been hounded by allegations of criminal activities, ever since she was in Arkansas, where Trump won 60% of the votes.

Hillary is NOT a victim. The scandals around her and her loss is very much her own doing.
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Old 10.11.2016, 10:45
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think the clear downside (my view) is the loss of women's rights on abortion that is likely to come. That said, I think this probably does represent a large proportion of the wishes and views of the Christian Fundamentalist Republic of America.
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Even in the worst case, he becomes Putin's bitch and Russia takes Europe, I won't need to learn Russian like you guys.
Ditto.

To the innitial question: is it possible to be a good president in the USA? What does it mean? And to whom? By our, European interests and standards? By standards of folks who live there? Who voted him? He will be god to them. He will not have it easy, I don't think. No pity for him from me, either, but it is not like he cares nor should care. These debates empower posters but in the end, I think, it is a situation for people in the USA to change. Not even their "savior" president can do much if everybody just waits for some orange prophet to show up and do miracles. Maybe his voters do not think about this. The work of progress and improvement is waiting for them.The era of media parades and fb spectacles is not really inspiring the good ol can-do yank spirit, innit?
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I see similar parallels in him as in Arnold Schwarzenegger. People underestimated Arnie's intellect and capabilities and yet, he has had a stellar career and went from Mr. Olympia to become a movie star and then governor of one of the greatest places on earth...and that by being unapologetiacally himself. The same goes for Trump, he's being underestimated and although he doesn't exactly hail from humble upbringings, he still managed to grow his empire, establish a well-respected brand, have an internationally boradcasted tv show and become president and all that, by being unapologetically himself as well. I don't think that he'll do any worse than most of his predecessor, on the contrary, I reserve a glimpse of hope that he will actually evoke the changes Obama was initially voted into office for.
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I think the clear downside (my view) is the loss of women's rights on abortion that is likely to come. That said, I think this probably does represent a large proportion of the wishes and views of the Christian Fundamentalist Republic of America.
How so? Rights on abortion is not dictated by the President, but at the state level.

I think there will be a realignment of political maps with Trump. He has changed the political formula and the game. Trump has the opportunity to claim minority representation, which is a shift the Republican have long realised they need to undertake. That is why they tried to run candidates with spanish names; Cruz & Rubio. I suspect they will restrategize and gerrymander the conceptual political map.

They can, if they are smart, take in a large portion of minorities, women and LGBT into the Republican tent. Which is what they should focus on to stay relevant downstream.
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Hillary as a crook is not something Trump invented. She was under numerous FBI investigations. Her whole career has been hounded by allegations of criminal activities, ever since she was in Arkansas, where Trump won 60% of the votes.

Hillary is NOT a victim. The scandals around her and her loss is very much her own doing.
So, as with Donald's rape allegations, nothing proven then.
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Ditto.

To the innitial question: is it possible to be a good president in the USA? What does it mean? And to whom? By our, European interests and standards? By standards of folks who live there? Who voted him? He will be god to them. He will not have it easy, I don't think. No pity for him from me, either, but it us not like he cares nor should care. These debates empower posters but in the end, I think, it is a situation for people in the USA to change. Not even their "savior" president can do much if everybody just waits for some orange prophet to show up and do miracles. Maybe his voters do not think about this. The work of progress and improvement is waiting for them.
As Trump pointed out, he wasn't running for pope nor President of the world, but solely as the President of the US. So I think Europeans should expect to develop self-sufficiency in terms of their defence needs.
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How so? Rights on abortion is not dictated by the President, but at the state level.
as trump would say: "wroooong!"

"In 1973, abortion was prohibited entirely in 30 states and legal in limited circumstances (such as pregnancies resulting from rape or incest) in 20 other states. In that year, the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade invalidated all of these laws, and set guidelines for the availability of abortion."

step 1. appoint pro-life SC judge (as trump said he would do)
step 2. bring the right case up to the SC
step 3. overturn roe v wade

it's so simple, even trump managed to outline the plan:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/19/trump...tion-case.html
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Hillary is NOT a victim. The scandals around her and her loss is very much her own doing.
Maybe, but only partially. If Trump had been female and spouted all the guff about minorities, foreigners, and "building a wall", s/he would have been branded hysterical and unrealistic by what are now the staunch Trump supporters. They would have lamented the fact a woman was coming up with a stupid, expensive and implausible plan instead of an intelligent and practical solution.

Deporting millions of immigrants? Immediately? At a cost of xx billion dollars? Is she crazy? Typical woman with hysterical, pie in the sky solutions.

Trump's a bloke, and not only that but a "man's man". Any bonkers policies he comes up with are ok with them.
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I think the clear downside (my view) is the loss of women's rights on abortion that is likely to come. That said, I think this probably does represent a large proportion of the wishes and views of the Christian Fundamentalist Republic of America.
Nothing fundamentalist about Trump. (It's funny how people on this side of the pond view America when it comes to religion.)
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Nothing fundamentalist about Trump. (It's funny how people on this side of the pond view America when it comes to religion.)
i think it's just the very different level of religiousness between the US and Europe.

it's an exaggeration, but the europe, it's basically a bunch of atheists with some religious decoration. and for the US, it's basically the Christian version of Iran.
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The same goes for Trump, he's being underestimated and although he doesn't exactly hail from humble upbringings, he still managed to grow his empire, establish a well-respected brand, have an internationally boradcasted tv show and become president and all that while balancing a cat on his head
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