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Unfortunately, I don't decide that. History has.
It has? Phos, you and your sock puppet have seen a couple of youtube videos of people you don't know behaving in a manner that you find distasteful, and you've subsequently found press anthologies to back up your own "argument". It may not taste like coolaid to you, but I can smell it from here.

Perhaps you would have benefitted from a few electives from the philosophy department, perhaps not.

You spend a lot of time here presenting your opinion as fact. For your own good you would do well to learn to differentiate between the two.

History doesn't "decide" anything.
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What you call crap may be treasured cultural heritage for some. As much as you might be happy to replace it with a course on Lady Gaga, I imagine some would get offended by that insistence. Which I believe explains the kind of elitism that also explains why Hillary lost. Try that sentiment out on Muslims. Is it fair?
I think it must have been less of a stretch for you to "imagine" I was implying creationism in mainstream schooling be replaced with evidenced science-based schooling rather than courses on Lady Gaga but then that would have caused you to admit I was right.

Yes, fine, go ahead and teach that "some people believe this that and the other" as far as religion is taught but it's widely known that staunch creationists discourage any other thought or material on science-based education.

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I wouldn't bother, he's deliberately deflecting the argument. Again.
I thought it was more noteworthy that Phos was suddenly using YouTube to evidence his points. Or that he was evidencing anything he claims, for that matter.
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Old 15.11.2016, 12:08
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That's imagined. I don't know anyone teaching religion as an alternative to science. They are two different subjects.
You really don't know what's been happening in the US educational system, do you?

Publically funded schools in the US that are allowed to teach creationism as an alternative to evolution
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There is only one way to deal with Phos- and it is to put him on ignore. Why do you keep feeding this troll and indulging him? He wants all the attention and he wants to get us all in a tizz- just put on ignore and forget about him. When he stops getting the attention he craves- he will slink away (hopefully).
We have to remember that everybody is special and needs to be heard. Even Phos needs a little love every now and again. Look, he's feeling sad right now because of all these people on EF disagreeing with him:
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You really don't know what's been happening in the US educational system, do you?

Publically funded schools in the US that are allowed to teach creationism as an alternative to evolution
His response will be along the lines of "The Slate is a biased liberal rag" or something similarly dismissive.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

love it. if you people had half the mind phos has, you could see a few more moves ahead.

if you flip "christian" for "muslim" all you guys are caught with the pants down because the left loves them but hates the christians (because white men).

the left forced us to make this choice. i hate the pro-life and creationism currently on my plate but its better than the alternative that contains all of the above + more.

its dubbed "regressive left" for a reason.
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Old 15.11.2016, 12:20
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You really don't know what's been happening in the US educational system, do you?

Publically funded schools in the US that are allowed to teach creationism as an alternative to evolution

That's great. One thing I don't expect to see from this administration is an imperialistic approach to education, as some of you seem to propagate. What I expect to happen is the devolution of choices to the state level, community level, and even to individual levels. Its a better reflection of the demographics of the country, and in line with concepts of liberty.
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love it. if you people had half the mind phos has, you could see a few more moves ahead.

if you flip "christian" for "muslim" all you guys are caught with the pants down because the left loves them but hates the christians (because white men).

the left forced us to make this choice. i hate the pro-life and creationism currently on my plate but its better than the alternative that contains all of the above + more.

its dubbed "regressive left" for a reason.
Who said anything about "hating" christians? I think you're giving Phos more credence than he is due. He's just stirring and I'll play along until I'm bored.
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love it. if you people had half the mind phos has, you could see a few more moves ahead.

if you flip "christian" for "muslim" all you guys are caught with the pants down because the left loves them but hates the christians (because white men).

the left forced us to make this choice. i hate the pro-life and creationism currently on my plate but its better than the alternative that contains all of the above + more.

its dubbed "regressive left" for a reason.
I think it's the far more boring and pedestrian feeling that people don't want ANY religion influencing their kids' education.

I say "influencing" because I mean it shouldn't be filling science curricula with long debunked ideas about a flat earth, dragons and a 6000 year old origin.

Religion should be taught in schools in the same way kids learn about ancient and modern history. Teach it in a cultural way and encourage discussion. Some kids are free to believe in what they want due to cultural or parental influences, other kids are free to non-believe.

You realise there are over **3000 religions, don't you? So there is more than enough material for schools to get through.

Phos reads what he wants to read in these threads and trolls accordingly.

**Actually my son, who is in middle school, gave me this figure because that's what they are learning right now. Switzerland seems to have it just about right.
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That's great. One thing I don't expect to see from this administration is an imperialistic approach to education, as some of you seem to propagate. What I expect to happen is the devolution of choices to the state level, community level, and even to individual levels. Its a better reflection of the demographics of the country, and in line with concepts of liberty.
So by devolving decision making down to the level of the state or community you think that one sided teaching will somehow magically disappear?

I don't really expect you to answer, but I just have this thing about asking questions whenever some word magician is trying to sell me a bill of goods. I blame my philosophy profs.
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No, really, your perspectives are limited to yourselves and so have trouble understanding outside of it. Yet you claim to be the tolerant bunch. It's hilarious hypocrisy, and that is what drives me.
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no, really, your perspectives are limited to yourselves and so have trouble understanding outside of it. Yet you claim to be the tolerant bunch. :d it's hilarious hypocrisy, and that is what drives me.
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No, really, your perspectives are limited to yourselves and so have trouble understanding outside of it. Yet you claim to be the tolerant bunch. It's hilarious hypocrisy, and that is what drives me.
Hmmm... boredom seems to be what "drives" you.
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I think it's the far more boring and pedestrian feeling that people don't want ANY religion influencing their kids' education.

I say "influencing" because I mean it shouldn't be filling science curricula with long debunked ideas about a flat earth, dragons and a 6000 year old origin.

Religion should be taught in schools in the same way kids learn about ancient and modern history. Teach it in a cultural way and encourage discussion. Some kids are free to believe in what they want due to cultural or parental influences, other kids are free to non-believe.

You realise there are over 3000 religions, don't you? So there is more than enough material for schools to get through.

Phos reads what he wants to read in these threads and trolls accordingly.
you dont have to tell me that. id love to eradicate even the memory of religion (hyperbole~!!1).

people see the yuge influence islam has gotten on our society in just 2 decades. its for the worse. like christianity on steroids. and for what? why is the left so positive about it? why is criticism equal to being a nazi?

back in the day, laughing at the banana god youtube clip was all we had to deal with. nowadays you get smeared out on the road because your existence is an offence to mo.

that is why christians and atheists are now allies to a certain extend.
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Well, as they try to impose a belief system or lack of one on the US, which they have little to do with, why not have the sentiment of imposing it on Iran or Saudi Arabia? I posit its due to lack of courage.
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you dont have to tell me that. id love to eradicate even the memory of religion (hyperbole~!!1).

people see the yuge influence islam has gotten on our society in just 2 decades. its for the worse. like christianity on steroids. and for what? why is the left so positive about it? why is criticism equal to being a nazi?
Are you still on your trippy hyperbole-thing here? It's not clear...

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back in the day, laughing at the banana god youtube clip was all we had to deal with. nowadays you get smeared out on the road because your existence is an offence to mo.

that is why christians and atheists are now allies to a certain extend.
I'm just allied against anyone that's not a total tit, to be honest. Ironically, to hark back to a religious teaching (because there are a few I can relate to), I would say you just make a rule of thumb that if you can see clear to treating someone how you want to be treated then you can't go far wrong.

For that, you don't need any kind of religion. If you feel it's appropriate to treat people like crap based on your differences then it's not religion you need, it's a stiff talking to and a set of morals. Simple as.

As someone once said, treat religion like you treat your penis; don't get it out and wave it in peoples faces.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

i think you misunderstand me. christians and atheist dont WANT to be allies, but they have to be. individually they would have lost the election.

like usa+russia vs nazi germany instead of usa vs russia vs germany
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No, really, your perspectives are limited to yourselves and so have trouble understanding outside of it. Yet you claim to be the tolerant bunch. It's hilarious hypocrisy, and that is what drives me.
I'm fairly sure that it's your unfounded personal sense of smug superiority and condescension that drives you. But please do prove me wrong.
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Well, as they try to impose a belief system or lack of one on the US, which they have little to do with, why not have the sentiment of imposing it on Iran or Saudi Arabia? I posit its due to lack of courage.
Who is this "they" to whom you are referring?
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I'm fairly sure that it's your unfounded personal sense of smug superiority and condescension that drives you. But please do prove me wrong.
Well, no, its because you folks are wrong. But go ahead with your fantasies and nightmares about Trump and the US. They are funny.
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