Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics
View Poll Results: Will Trump be a good President?
Yes 35 27.34%
No 93 72.66%
Voters: 128. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #61  
Old 10.11.2016, 11:18
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,721
Groaned at 27 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 4,238 Times in 1,924 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Maybe, but only partially. If Trump had been female and spouted all the guff about minorities, foreigners, and "building a wall", s/he would have been branded hysterical and unrealistic by what are now the staunch Trump supporters. They would have lamented the fact a woman was coming up with a stupid, expensive and implausible plan instead of an intelligent and practical solution.

Deporting millions of immigrants? Immediately? At a cost of xx billion dollars? Is she crazy? Typical woman with hysterical, pie in the sky solutions.

Trump's a bloke, and not only that but a "man's man". Any bonkers policies he comes up with are ok with them.
I think this has some truth to it, but still conjecture. We know Clinton is a very calculated speaker (probably a lot to do with a strong law career), she could have easily conveyed these messages with intent and effectiveness---as long her opposing members weren't 'militant' liberals :P


Quick fact, Clinton voted in favor of building the wall in 2005 and was quoted saying "I am adamantly against illegal immigrants". Of course this never made big headlines---is this also a factor to call sexist?
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Chemmie for this useful post:
  #62  
Old 10.11.2016, 11:20
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Zug
Posts: 90
Groaned at 22 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 491 Times in 262 Posts
NomadAmericano is considered knowledgeableNomadAmericano is considered knowledgeableNomadAmericano is considered knowledgeable
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
as trump would say: "wroooong!"

"In 1973, abortion was prohibited entirely in 30 states and legal in limited circumstances (such as pregnancies resulting from rape or incest) in 20 other states. In that year, the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade invalidated all of these laws, and set guidelines for the availability of abortion."

step 1. appoint pro-life SC judge (as trump said he would do)
step 2. bring the right case up to the SC
step 3. overturn roe v wade

it's so simple, even trump managed to outline the plan:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/19/trump...tion-case.html
At worst (from a pro-abortion POV), the US SC would overturn Roe v. Wade, then freeing the state legislators to adopt laws that would very much be like, if not exactly like, the ones the UK has (e.g., no late-term abortions).

Hardly cataclysmic.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank NomadAmericano for this useful post:
This user groans at NomadAmericano for this post:
  #63  
Old 10.11.2016, 11:24
Corbets's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zug, CH
Posts: 2,840
Groaned at 155 Times in 111 Posts
Thanked 5,382 Times in 1,839 Posts
Corbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Maybe, but only partially. If Trump had been female and spouted all the guff about minorities, foreigners, and "building a wall", s/he would have been branded hysterical and unrealistic by what are now the staunch Trump supporters. They would have lamented the fact a woman was coming up with a stupid, expensive and implausible plan instead of an intelligent and practical solution.

Deporting millions of immigrants? Immediately? At a cost of xx billion dollars? Is she crazy? Typical woman with hysterical, pie in the sky solutions.
And now you're making the mistake that I've seen so many Clinton supporters make (or, in the past, Romney supporters or whatever - it's hardly a unique phenomenon). For the record, I'm not a Trump supporter, but neither was I a Hillary supporter - and while I believe that she should face trial for the email thing, he belongs in a loony bin.

Nonetheless, I don't believe for an instant that Hillary's loss came down to a single, intrinsic and non-changeable part of her being (e.g. the fact that she's female). That's a cop-out, as much as Trump saying the game was rigged against him, because it implies that nothing she could have done would have won her the presidency. You're inventing a scenario (e.g. if Trump were a woman) and using it as a cop-out to explain her loss.

I suspect that this article is rather closer to the truth; politicians have been focusing on groups that they see as needy (minorities, women, whatever) and ignoring a very large group of people that sees itself as needy.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reason...e-talks-about/
__________________
I'm likely typing from an iPad. Please disregard odd word usage.
Reply With Quote
The following 6 users would like to thank Corbets for this useful post:
  #64  
Old 10.11.2016, 11:29
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 11,485
Groaned at 246 Times in 157 Posts
Thanked 13,338 Times in 5,682 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
At worst (from a pro-abortion POV), the US SC would overturn Roe v. Wade, then freeing the state legislators to adopt laws that would very much be like, if not exactly like, the ones the UK has (e.g., no late-term abortions).

Hardly cataclysmic.
what makes you think they would implement laws similar to the UK instead of reverting to a ban on abortion?

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/eff...ng-roe-v-wade/
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #65  
Old 10.11.2016, 11:37
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,177
Groaned at 462 Times in 350 Posts
Thanked 9,365 Times in 4,926 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
as trump would say: "wroooong!"

"In 1973, abortion was prohibited entirely in 30 states and legal in limited circumstances (such as pregnancies resulting from rape or incest) in 20 other states. In that year, the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade invalidated all of these laws, and set guidelines for the availability of abortion."

step 1. appoint pro-life SC judge (as trump said he would do)
step 2. bring the right case up to the SC
step 3. overturn roe v wade

it's so simple, even trump managed to outline the plan:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/19/trump...tion-case.html

Oh, okay, through supreme court appointments. Though court decisions are not in the remit of Presidents. I'm no so sure that would be Trump doing that.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 10.11.2016, 11:37
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 9,688
Groaned at 73 Times in 66 Posts
Thanked 14,749 Times in 5,754 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
And now you're making the mistake that I've seen so many Clinton supporters make (or, in the past, Romney supporters or whatever - it's hardly a unique phenomenon). For the record, I'm not a Trump supporter, but neither was I a Hillary supporter - and while I believe that she should face trial for the email thing, he belongs in a loony bin.
I'd say in this case it's pretty much unprecedented, given the outlandish stuff he spouted. I don't remember any election (well, maybe since Hitler was on the campaign trail but I wasn't around then) where the public sucked up anything Trump had to say. And I mean ANYTHING he said.

If I'd have been Trump I'd have tested the waters and blurted out that I was going to repeal the 2nd Amendment and no-one except the army would be allowed to be armed. Just to see how much his supporters were willing to abandon themselves to get him into power.
__________________
“A hero is someone who understands the responsibility that comes with his freedom.” – Bob Dylan
Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:10
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 990
Groaned at 44 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 2,589 Times in 1,175 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

My friends swamped fb yesterday with clips of Trump at WWE, so it looks like Putin has competition in the calendar stakes now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:17
olygirl's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: d' Innerschwiiz
Posts: 5,062
Groaned at 225 Times in 148 Posts
Thanked 10,872 Times in 3,321 Posts
olygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond reputeolygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

To quote a dear friend:

"I predict the same people who passionately supported Trump will continue to hate & blame others for his lack of success as a President."

She may be right.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank olygirl for this useful post:
  #69  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:22
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Küsnacht, Switzerland
Posts: 990
Groaned at 44 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 2,589 Times in 1,175 Posts
Blueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond reputeBlueangel has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
If I'd have been Trump I'd have tested the waters and blurted out that I was going to repeal the 2nd Amendment and no-one except the army would be allowed to be armed. Just to see how much his supporters were willing to abandon themselves to get him into power.
He wouldn't have even got the nomination if he'd done that.

I have American friends who've never held a gun in their lives, but I also have friends who have at least a few guns in the home. One even has a gun room in his basement and literally dozens of weapons, but he's a retired cop and trains people in how to use weapons correctly. He told me his email inbox was full of 'Presidential special offers' yesterday from various gun manufacturers.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Blueangel for this useful post:
  #70  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:23
Samaire13's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CH
Posts: 2,358
Groaned at 59 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 3,506 Times in 1,372 Posts
Samaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond reputeSamaire13 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
My friends swamped fb yesterday with clips of Trump at WWE, so it looks like Putin has competition in the calendar stakes now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I
Glad to see he's so classy, sophisticated and mature.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Samaire13 for this useful post:
  #71  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:26
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 9,688
Groaned at 73 Times in 66 Posts
Thanked 14,749 Times in 5,754 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
He wouldn't have even got the nomination if he'd done that.
But when his support went from winning as nominee to the scary fanatical stuff in the run up to the election, he had hit such a rumbling momentum he could have said what he liked (and did!). I was just wondering how much his supporters could have been dragged away from their own principles just to stick him in the Oval office.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:26
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,840
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,510 Times in 6,686 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

We have already established that polls mean absolutely bugger all - so why bother with one on this thread?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #73  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:29
Swisstree's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Hants/ZH
Posts: 1,492
Groaned at 25 Times in 18 Posts
Thanked 2,559 Times in 964 Posts
Swisstree has a reputation beyond reputeSwisstree has a reputation beyond reputeSwisstree has a reputation beyond reputeSwisstree has a reputation beyond reputeSwisstree has a reputation beyond reputeSwisstree has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
My friends swamped fb yesterday with clips of Trump at WWE, so it looks like Putin has competition in the calendar stakes now.
This one might work for his calendar

will-trump-good-president-14980818_1140440276046223_3564652700346469953_n.jpg
Reply With Quote
The following 9 users would like to thank Swisstree for this useful post:
  #74  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:32
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,721
Groaned at 27 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 4,238 Times in 1,924 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

We also have to realize that people/media who are happy with decisions which are made during presidency, are generally quiet, or ignored by media (these stories don't sell at all). What we will hear, is anyone who is not pleased about any issue (big or small), this sells in media, this is what the headlines will be filled with.
If one is only reading the headline feed---of course it will seem like a President is doing a poor job whether they are or not.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Chemmie for this useful post:
  #75  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:34
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,721
Groaned at 27 Times in 23 Posts
Thanked 4,238 Times in 1,924 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
Glad to see he's so classy, sophisticated and mature.
I also don't watch professional wresting. Therefore I am a far superior person than those who do!
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Chemmie for this useful post:
  #76  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:36
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 9,840
Groaned at 340 Times in 276 Posts
Thanked 17,510 Times in 6,686 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
I also don't watch professional wresting. Therefore I am a far superior person than those who do!
TRUE FACT
Only Trumpsters and Brexiteers watch wrestling - eat KFC and drink beer from cans.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #77  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:44
Dark Blue's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: CH
Posts: 199
Groaned at 7 Times in 7 Posts
Thanked 164 Times in 90 Posts
Dark Blue is considered knowledgeableDark Blue is considered knowledgeableDark Blue is considered knowledgeable
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Will he be a good president? I guess it depends on what good means and good for whom.

For me , good means to promote alternative energy policies and environmental improvement.

What he actually did is to nominate a climate change denier as head of EPA.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...pa-transition/

So, the answer for now is a clear NO, he will not be a good president on environmental issues.
Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:49
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 8,411
Groaned at 141 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 14,611 Times in 6,217 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
One thing that surprised me a bit (or maybe not) is that non-white people are more likely to vote Trump if they have a college degree, from 20% to 23%.
That doesn't really surprise me.

There was a poll among Latinos that showed being able to speak English well increased their chances of supporting Trump. It's maybe part of the integration thing and understanding American culture, or at least of having spent sufficient time in the country.

I would expect that having a college degree also correlates with speaking English well and being reasonably well integrated.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
  #79  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:51
Phos's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: ZRH
Posts: 7,177
Groaned at 462 Times in 350 Posts
Thanked 9,365 Times in 4,926 Posts
Phos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond reputePhos has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
To quote a dear friend:

"I predict the same people who passionately supported Trump will continue to hate & blame others for his lack of success as a President."

She may be right.
I doubt it. This was a repudiation of government officials. This is something we need to do more. We need to hold them for actions, particularly for their failures. If Donald Trump should fail, he should absolutely be held accountable for it. They ALL should.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Phos for this useful post:
  #80  
Old 10.11.2016, 12:54
amogles's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Zurich
Posts: 8,411
Groaned at 141 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 14,611 Times in 6,217 Posts
amogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond reputeamogles has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Quote:
View Post
To quote a dear friend:

"I predict the same people who passionately supported Trump will continue to hate & blame others for his lack of success as a President."

She may be right.
So in other words, Obama all over again?
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank amogles for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (2 members and 1 guests)
Pather
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Will Hillary Clinton run for president again? PanFastic International affairs/politics 145 29.11.2016 09:03
Poll: Will Trump win the 2020 elections? k_and_e International affairs/politics 6 14.11.2016 21:29
Will Trump be the next US President? Phil_MCR International affairs/politics 2618 14.11.2016 12:16
Shall I inform my employer that I will be self employed or be a owner of a company? Broth76 Business & entrepreneur 6 09.07.2012 17:59
A generic "will my salary be good enough" post Larsh Employment 30 24.10.2008 09:12


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:58.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0