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Reminds me of General Washington who declined his salary ca. $48,000 for 8 years war but instead only submitted expenses of ca. $449,000.

Some rules of the General’s model for expenses claims: omit nothing; be specific on the smaller expenditures and vague on the larger ones; whenever possible, intermingle personal and business expenses.

However, after the war when he offered to serve for expenses only after his election as first President, Congress promptly turned George Washington down flat.

Somebody should remind Congress of this story
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the US will be plunged into 4 years of mass demonstrations and violence. Something like the " Vietnam " era.
This is very true
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The cast of Hamilton gave a speech to Mike Pence before he left the end of the show.
https://www.facebook.com/HamiltonMus...WSFEED&fref=nf


And these are Trump's tweets in reaction to the speech:

"The Theater must always be a safe and special place.The cast of Hamilton was very rude last night to a very good man, Mike Pence. Apologize!"

"Our wonderful future V.P. Mike Pence was harassed last night at the theater by the cast of Hamilton, cameras blazing.This should not happen!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...420804?lang=de
No apologies needed from the cast, Trump is a different story !
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You plagiarizing now, Marton?
No just following your model of not quoting sources
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I hope I am wrong, but I think he's a swindler, and he's in for himself and not the country. I guess time will tell.

From my angle: If he's going to use the Trump Tower as his residence, the people's taxes will be used to pay for absolutely everything in relation to the Trump Tower expenses and then some (towards securing an extensive area around the tower, his businesses and his family members). On top of it, he'll piss newyorkers off by blocking off traffic around the premises. He loves to retaliate, and this is a way to get back at them for supporting Clinton.
I wouldn't worry about that, he seems the type of guy who'd reeealy like to live at the White House (for the prestige you know)....probably not enough gold decorations over there though. It's kind of "funny" to see this guy replacing Obama.. We'll see.
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Read Trump's tweets to help you understand the man:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump?lang=de

It's not a pretty read.
It isn't.

I've read swathes of his Twitter account over the last year and noticed his grammar is atrocious, he can't spell received, and the sly digs at the media are purile, e.g. "failing nytimes". Also, everything and everyone connected with him is "great". Smoke and mirrors...
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An editorial on booing Pence at Hamilton, from the perspective of his actions toward LBGTQ and people with HIV/AIDS. Yes, it is an Opinion Piece.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2..._broadway.html

Here is an excerpt:

"But there is another, more specific reason why Pence deserved to be booed in this particular time and place. AIDS hit Broadway hard; the Reagan administration’s cruel negligence toward the crisis resulted in the deaths of some of Broadway’s brightest lights in the 1980s. Eventually, Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton took action to stop the spread of AIDS and save the lives of HIV-positive people.

But when Pence ran for Congress in 2000, he ran on a platform of reversing these life-saving advances. As his “Guide to Renewing the American Dream” explained, Pence had serious concerns about the Ryan White CARE Act, a vital federal program that helped provide medication and treatment to low-income and uninsured AIDS patients. “Congress,” Pence wrote, “should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars [are] no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.”

Pence, in other words, insisted that no federal funds should go to AIDS organizations that accept homosexuality. Instead, he argued: “Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior.” Put simply, Pence wanted to redirect critical HIV funding from AIDS treatment programs to ex-gay conversion therapy—i.e., torture.

Obviously, Pence never achieved his goal of diverting federal AIDS funding to conversion therapy programs. But if he had, thousands of AIDS patients would have undoubtedly died for no good reason. Pence’s policy—which he has never repudiated, despite opportunities to do so—suggested that low-income people should only receive AIDS medication if they renounce their homosexuality and attempt “to change their sexual behavior.” Moreover, treatment centers and programs that fight AIDS should only get federal funds if they condemn homosexuality. These toxic ideas, if enacted, would have shuttered countless clinics and deprived innumerable patients of the drugs they needed to survive."
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It's kind of "funny" to see this guy replacing Obama.. We'll see.
I wish I could see the humor.
Will we get reality tv streamed live from the WH do you think?

"At home with the Drumpfs?"
Melania throwing a tea towel at Don cause he hasn't done his share of the drying up, that kind of thing?
Barron acting out, cause Dad won't buy him his own diamond/platinum 747?
Ivanka accusing Jared of having flirted with a journalist?
Tiffany complaining cause no-one ever listens to her, and why couldn't she sit in on the meeting with the Japs?
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Since 'Hamilton' is making political news it seems appropriate to put this here:

'Hamilton' will open in London in November 2017 at the Victoria Palace Theater; general ticket sales will begin on 30 Jan 2017.

This is truly one of the best pieces of theater I have ever seen - perhaps even the best. (I saw the Chicago production.) At a time when we Americans are plagued with uncertainty and fear, when the temptation to give in to darker instincts is all too real, to my mind the play serves as a much needed reminder of who we are and what we truly are should be about. And it is a reminder that the road to getting there was neither easy nor always pretty.

Go see the show. Seriously.

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Regarding the Pence / Hamilton episode:

I was actually more surprised that a conservative like Pence would be interested in taking his family to visit a musical/hip-hop performance in the heart of the liberal NYC theatre district, put on by openly gay actors and minorities. But instead of him being welcomed into the fold, he gets boo-ed, heckled and lectured to I guess he won't be visiting any more shows there in the future?
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But instead of him being welcomed into the fold, he gets boo-ed, heckled and lectured to I guess he won't be visiting any more shows there in the future?
You reap what you sow, and people like Pence tend to incredibly thick- .....skinned. By all means, Pence is entitled to his beliefs and has been vocal about them, but he also must own them, take responsibility for them, take any criticism of them and deal with the backlash.
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Regarding the Pence / Hamilton episode:

I was actually more surprised that a conservative like Pence would be interested in taking his family to visit a musical/hip-hop performance in the heart of the liberal NYC theatre district, put on by openly gay actors and minorities. But instead of him being welcomed into the fold, he gets boo-ed, heckled and lectured to I guess he won't be visiting any more shows there in the future?
The cast didn't boo him, the audience did. And the cast read a respectful statement, as is their right. It's nice he went to the production, but given his position and past behaviors, it's a bit much to welcome him with open arms. He wasn't threatened in any way. He's a big boy, a public figure. Is he as thin skinned as Trump? Talk about precious snowflakes!
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The cast didn't boo him, the audience did.
Yea, something hypocritical in the liberal/progressive "we welcome everyone" slogan? They could have taken the high road and welcomed him, or at least shown some respect, but of course it is their right to hate/boo/hiss as well. I don't think it has reflected very well on them, however. And I don't think Pence has said anything, only listened.
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Yea, something hypocritical in the liberal/progressive "we welcome everyone" slogan? They could have taken the high road and welcomed him, or at least shown some respect, but of course it is their right to hate/boo/hiss as well. I don't think it has reflected very well on them, however. And I don't think Pence has said anything, only listened.
they were respectful enough. and yes, Pence did listen, so good for him. It's Trump who is proving to be a snowflake.
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Yea, something hypocritical in the liberal/progressive "we welcome everyone" slogan? They could have taken the high road and welcomed him, or at least shown some respect, but of course it is their right to hate/boo/hiss as well. I don't think it has reflected very well on them, however. And I don't think Pence has said anything, only listened.
If you read what the castmember actually said (https://www.bustle.com/articles/1960...ude-harassment) you would see that although there was an expression of concern, there was no hate or disrespect in that statement. They did, in fact, explicitly welcome Pence, stated that booing was not called for, and called for unity.

Trump's tweets, on the other hand, accused the cast (and later the producers) of being rude and also claimed the show is "highly overrated".

If someone has missed the high road here, it is Trump.
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Yea, something hypocritical in the liberal/progressive "we welcome everyone" slogan? They could have taken the high road and welcomed him, or at least shown some respect, but of course it is their right to hate/boo/hiss as well.
Can you prove what everyone who booed him voted? If not, it's purely your assumption.

Respect has to be earned or lost. It doesn't automatically come with position, wealth or status. Until that point, we're all on equal footing.
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the US will be plunged into 4 years of mass demonstrations and violence. Something like the " Vietnam " era.
I agree..
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No just following your model of not quoting sources
Bullshit you are. You've been caught plagiarizing. Not a big sin on an internet forum but doesn't reflect well on you either.

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Here is a video of the statement (Read by Brandon Victor Dixon, the actor playing Aaron Burr, written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, Thomas Kail, Jeffrey Seller and cast):

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/us...ald-trump.html

The statement is, IMO, quite respectful. Mr Dixon asks the audience not to boo. And credit to Pence, he listened respectfully.

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'Hamilton' is about the ideals, the struggles, the trade-offs and compromises, about the human greatness and the human frailty, that all went into the formation of our nation. Including those tricky bits about 'truths we hold to be self-evident'. The statement was not only in line with the spirit of the play, of it's creators - but also certainly in line with the principles of the founding fathers themselves.

Remembering the principles our country is built upon is what we need to do, now more than ever. No matter which side, or middle, of the political fence you find yourself sitting on.
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You reap what you sow, and people like Pence tend to incredibly thick- .....skinned. By all means, Pence is entitled to his beliefs and has been vocal about them, but he also must own them, take responsibility for them, take any criticism of them and deal with the backlash.
He has "beliefs" about minorities? Where did this come from? Oh, right, the Clinton campaign, when it needed to scare the hell out of minorities in an attempt to get them to vote for Hillary.
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