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Old 22.11.2016, 12:51
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But highly indicative of what's to come:

i.e. - nomination of some of the most hateful people in US politics
- non observance of protocol (and potentially risk to national security)
- personal enrichment for DT and his family
- worsening of relations between the US and the rest of the world

Oh, I forgot, frequent outbursts of improper behavior not fitting the President of the US

Lots of subjective read and feeling into what is merely perceptional. I tend to be more of an objective realist, and understand people to be more pragmatic and rational with important matters. Trump is not actually stupid. His persona is merely being mischaracterised by those who don't agree with him. He's actually a very sharp and astute man.
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Lots of subjective read and feeling into what is merely perceptional. I tend to be more of an objective realist, and understand people to be more pragmatic and rational with important matters. Trump is not actually stupid. His persona is merely being mischaracterised by those who don't agree with him. He's actually a very sharp and astute man.
I agree. He may be a great many things, but he isn't an idiot.

His brand is a lot more "in your face" than we are used to from politicians, so he seems to be closer to Idi Amin, Hitler, but he did ultimately get himself legally elected.
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Lots of subjective read and feeling into what is merely perceptional. I tend to be more of an objective realist, and understand people to be more pragmatic and rational with important matters. Trump is not actually stupid. His persona is merely being mischaracterised by those who don't agree with him. He's actually a very sharp and astute man.
Of course he's not stupid. I don't think he's particularly engaged, and he is very thin skinned. How that will play out remains to be seen. He might delegate well, one can only hope. I still think he's putting a lot of bottom feeders in his administration, with very little oversight.
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Old 22.11.2016, 13:08
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I agree. He may be a great many things, but he isn't an idiot.

His brand is a lot more "in your face" than we are used to from politicians, so he seems to be closer to Idi Amin, Hitler, but he did ultimately get himself legally elected.
eh, maybe more like Churchill in his projected persona. But I suspect and fear he is more of a wimpy and moderate democrat underneath the facade. We'll see.
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Old 22.11.2016, 13:09
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

Interesting blog post from Scott Adams

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1534809...ersus-populism

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I’m hearing lots of after-the-fact explanations for why Trump won the election. The most common interpretation of events is that many citizens had a view of the country that pundits, pollsters, and the Clinton campaign missed. But somehow Trump accurately identified the mood of the people – especially in the Great Lakes region – and crafted a message to fit their emotions.

That explanation of events fits the observed data. Trump’s priorities do seem to match what polls tell us people are thinking and feeling. Or at least enough people feel that way to give Trump the Electoral College win. In this view of the world, Trump is a populist who has good instincts about what people want to hear...
more here

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1534809...ersus-populism
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But highly indicative of what's to come:

i.e. - nomination of some of the most hateful people in US politics
- non observance of protocol (and potentially risk to national security)
- personal enrichment for DT and his family
- worsening of relations between the US and the rest of the world

Oh, I forgot, frequent outbursts of improper behavior not fitting the President of the US
Considering how he chooses those around him Trump began to look like a Don from Southern Italy...

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Lots of subjective read and feeling into what is merely perceptional. I tend to be more of an objective realist, and understand people to be more pragmatic and rational with important matters. Trump is not actually stupid. His persona is merely being mischaracterised by those who don't agree with him. He's actually a very sharp and astute man.
Most of your postings are highly subjective, though. It's all about your opinion and your interpretation. Not much either objective or real.

Nobody thinks Trump is stupid (or at least nothing so starkly descriptive). It is however, wearing a bit thin to keep trotting out the line that he's "mis-characterised" or "misunderstood" or whatever excuses his fan-boys keep using.

He manages his own persona more than any of the major political figures either today or in the recent past. He deliberately is creating this outspoken and offensive character then retracting most of it either because he's been advised to or because he's had a re-think. He's too ready to shoot from the hip without too much concern for the consequences.

So far his cheer-leaders are still in the honeymoon period and lapping up all his delicious rebelliousness (class clown making the wall-flowers giggle in school?). I wonder how long the sycophancy will keep up after January? Two years? Four years?
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Of course he's not stupid. I don't think he's particularly engaged, and he is very thin skinned. How that will play out remains to be seen. He might delegate well, one can only hope. I still think he's putting a lot of bottom feeders in his administration, with very little oversight.
This is one thing that I'm uncomfortable with.

He promised to put together the best ever team. So far we've been seeing quite a few B-grade appointments.

But maybe he sees something in them that we don't.
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Old 22.11.2016, 13:24
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eh, maybe more like Churchill in his projected persona. But I suspect and fear he is more of a wimpy and moderate democrat underneath the facade. We'll see.
I wouldn't say wimpy or moderate. "Thin skinned whiner who is all too prepared to get litigious" would be more my take.

He's made a great deal of money by playing the system to it's fullest extent, including walking away from bad decisions and leaving others to hold the bag, while exploiting a tax loophole to maximise the benefit from bankruptcy. Telling little lies (just look at how he uses adjectives).

But he's in the big leagues now. He is the system. There isn't a court or a loophole to run to anymore. He needs to propound the truth now, sometimes that will involve big lies, sometimes it will involve being honest and changing his position. Little lies won't get him results. Pointing at someone else and saying "They're the problem" won't work.
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Old 22.11.2016, 13:25
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This is one thing that I'm uncomfortable with.

He promised to put together the best ever team. So far we've been seeing quite a few B-grade appointments.

But maybe he sees something in them that we don't.
One has to pick one's battles wisely.

I think he's building his base from the core out, based on those loyal to him now. As it expands, I could see him change his team for the next phase. The ousting of Chris Christie is a portend of how he isn't afraid to make a judgment call. I imagine he unabashedly tell people their shortcomings and that they need to leave. All these appointments are interchangeable.

Afterwards, I'm sure he'll clash with House leadership and senators.

I'm not convince he is already falling apart, as some people would like to think. He's only preparing to get started.


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I wouldn't say wimpy or moderate. "Thin skinned whiner who is all too prepared to get litigious" would be more my take.
True. It sure adds to the entertain value. Sometimes there is a time and place for the proper use of impetuousness. I'd be bored and disappointed if there weren't any.
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He certainly could reject a UK ambassador to the US if he wanted to. Not that he will, but they would be well advised to take his tweet as some indication by the UK of the kind of ambassador they should send to the US.
You liked Brexit because it "restored UK sovereignty" but now you want UK controlled by the US?
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One has to pick one's battles wisely.

I think he's building his base from the core out, based on those loyal to him now. As it expands, I could see him change his team for the next phase. The ousting of Chris Christie is a portend of how he isn't afraid to make a judgment call. I imagine he unabashedly tell people their shortcomings and that they need to leave. All these appointments are interchangeable.

Afterwards, I'm sure he'll clash with House leadership and senators.

I'm not convince he is already falling apart, as some people would like to think. He's only preparing to get started.

True. It sure adds to the entertain value. Sometimes there is a time and place for the proper use of impetuousness. I'd be bored and disappointed if there weren't any.

"One has to pick one's battles wisely." If you say so
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Old 22.11.2016, 13:58
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You liked Brexit because it "restored UK sovereignty" but now you want UK controlled by the US?
Yeah, we want you to obey. Dramatics are oftentimes hilarious.
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While it was the first thing I tried (to zoom in) how come the document is not shown? Well, it can be seen here but to be honest, I still can't read it.
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Here's a readable version: http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...xlarge-169.jpg

Point three is reducing the intake of Syrian refugees to zero. It hardly seems in keeping with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

""Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"""

https://www.nps.gov/stli/learn/histo...e/colossus.htm
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Here's a readable version: http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/as...xlarge-169.jpg

Point three is reducing the intake of Syrian refugees to zero. It hardly seems in keeping with the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

""Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"""

https://www.nps.gov/stli/learn/histo...e/colossus.htm
What sort of a dork carries confidential documents outside of their briefcase without any sort of a cover
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623

Thoughts?

I thought the "for every new regulation two must be eliminated". I know this is a reductio ad absurdum, but I wonder if anyone has ever explained Zeno's paradox, or the mathematics of half lifes to him. There are a finite number of regulations... at some point he would presumably end up with the constitution, the regulation about halving existing regulations, and one more regulation: What if some new regulation is needed?
That's when the 8 years are over maybe?

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Most of your postings are highly subjective, though. It's all about your opinion and your interpretation. Not much either objective or real.
The thread title is "Will Trump be a Good President?" The answers can only be subjective, opinions and interpretations.

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Something tells me that was not an accident.
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The thread title is "Will Trump be a Good President?" The answers can only be subjective, opinions and interpretations.
Yes, that's clear but I think some of the more ardent (fanatical?) opinions on here are attempting to be slid in as fact.
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Yes, that's clear but I think some of the more ardent (fanatical?) opinions on here are attempting to be slid in as fact.
Well you can't blame me for your own gullibility. I'll tell you what, a middle ground; Trump will be a great President for me and the US, and God awful for everyone else. That even sounds just and fair.
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Well you can't blame me for your own gullibility. I'll tell you what, a middle ground; Trump will be a great President for me and the US, and God awful for everyone else. That even sounds just and fair.
Wouldn't it be gullibility if your "opinions" were believed as fact?

Bottom line is that you live in a privileged country hours and hours away from Trump's ground zero, a man who came to victory in an election you couldn't be arsed voting in.

And you have all day to spout your views on an internet forum. Life goes on whether you are a Trump fan or not.
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