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what makes you think they would implement laws similar to the UK instead of reverting to a ban on abortion?

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/eff...ng-roe-v-wade/
That's stale. If Roe is overturned, the respective legislatures will have to address abortion legislation. Compromise will ensue.
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His reunification speech, I shall be President for all- is so puke worthy and so hypocritical and

https://www.facebook.com/yahoonews/v...4530977711037/ as he says.

Why the groans St2leman and tormund - are you denying Trump as not said all of the above- really? It is rather well documented, no?

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Will he be a good president? I guess it depends on what good means and good for whom.

For me , good means to promote alternative energy policies and environmental improvement.

What he actually did is to nominate a climate change denier as head of EPA.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...pa-transition/

So, the answer for now is a clear NO, he will not be a good president on environmental issues.
Definitely a noble topic to be the chief basis of voting for a President.
Unfortunately, choosing a president based on the future environmental impact is a bit of a luxury reserved for those who have a stable income, wealth, and comfort in their life.
The truth is, that the majority of people who struggle to have affordable housing, a paying job, clothes for their children and food on the table, the environmental state in the future is of lesser concern.


On the other hand, if we look at why the jobs have moved to developing countries, cheaper labor is only a small part. Industrial processes that would require waste-water facilities, emission treatments under good environmental policies will move to developing countries where these extra facilities aren't required. Encouraging companies to stay, and follow the stricter guidelines is actually better for the environment.
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I secretly hoped Trump would win. Not because I believe he'll be a good president (I have no idea), but Clinton is just so unsympathetic and uncharismatic that I couldn't support her message at all.

Trump played the obvious card of appealing to the disenfranchised low income white population in rural areas. These people saw their livelihood and prosperity completely disappear after the 70s as industrial production moved elsewhere or got taken over by robots. The problem is, that's not going to change. Low skill manual labor jobs are gone and are never coming back again (unless humanity nukes itself back to the stone age).

Industrial production is higher than ever, even in the west, but none of it benefits low skilled labor because it's all robotics and automation. This trend is going to accelerate, and I'm absolutely convinced that it won't stop at manual labor. Law, healthcare, clerical jobs and even creative industry - human labor in these areas is going to severely shrink or even disappear in the next couple of decades. There'll still be a need for specialist lawyers and surgeons and high skilled artists will find success, but even today, state of the art machine learning could replace basic general practitioner or lawyer work and do a better job at it. The skill level where humans can still compete with machines is rising rapidly. State of the art finance is no longer looking at moving averages and technical indicators or staring at 15 bloomberg screens trying to guess movements from charts. That's pretty much pleb level work that is going to disappear in short order. We are at a point where machine learning algorithms are not only generating trades, but are themselves designing other algorithms to trade. Financial advisors who have charged exorbitant prices for an ill-defined notion of "expertise" are living on borrowed time, because even today you have cheap or even free to use automated tools that do a much better job at coming up with a tailor made portfolio. Even more, these tools can maintain the portfolio for you, so you don't need to pay hefty fees to some dingbat in Mayfair to rebalance your stocks once a month.

I'm a libertarian at heart and flinch every time someone says wealth redistribution, but even I see the writing on the wall that humanity is not far from the post scarcity era. When most human beings are "useless" in terms of production and their labor is no longer beneficial to society, shouldn't we start seriously looking at the notion that, maybe, just maybe, not everyone will be able or have to work?
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Identity politics are a trap from which the Democrats are going to struggle to extract themselves from in the future.

Here's the vote spread across race and gender:
Clinton / Trump
White Men: 31 % / 63 %
White Women: 36 % / 52 %
Black Men: 80 % / 13 %
Black Women: 93 % / 4 %
Latino Men: 62 % / 33 %
Latino Women: 68 % / 26 %

So as we can see from the results, the least tribal ethnic group in the USA is white women, followed by white and latino men. If the left continues to view everything through the prism of identity politics and push this viewpoint into the political arena, they shouldn't be surprised if white people start reciprocating. If whites voted in a bloc for their own self-interest as much as blacks, they would win every election for the next fifty years.
It would also seem to be in line with the trend of recent years that black support for Republican presidential candidates is rebounding from its 2008 historic low.

I'm not sure if there are comparable statistics for the other groups mentioned.



source: http://blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics/
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So in other words, Obama all over again?
Where did he fail?
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Someone in this thread mentioned that those that voted for Trump also have a disregard for minorities and immigrants, and he/she is absolutely correct. If you would do a secret poll in Europe I would expect most to state that muslims are now welcomed. The fact that the polls did not predict a Brexit or Trump win is simply because people do not want to be labeled a racist and hide their views. Now that these thoughts are becoming more mainstream I expect this way of thinking to gather much more momentum.


A scary thought for those that crave stability, but nothing unprecedented if you look back at history...
I'm not sure if a lot of people already have racist views or if these views are being encouraged/sanctioned by politicians as a means to win votes/gain power. Did most Germans already blame the Jews for their problems before the rise of Adolf Hitler and National Socialism or were they encouraged to believe this by them?
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Wall of text ahead, but please bear with me, I'm trying to make good points:

I secretly hoped Trump would win. Not because I believe he'll be a good president (I have no idea), but Clinton is just so unsympathetic and uncharismatic that I couldn't support her message at all.

Trump played the obvious card of appealing to the disenfranchised low income white population in rural areas. These people saw their livelihood and prosperity completely disappear after the 70s as industrial production moved elsewhere or got taken over by robots. The problem is, that's not going to change. Low skill manual labor jobs are gone and are never coming back again (unless humanity nukes itself back to the stone age).

Industrial production is higher than ever, even in the west, but none of it benefits low skilled labor because it's all robotics and automation. This trend is going to accelerate, and I'm absolutely convinced that it won't stop at manual labor. Law, healthcare, clerical jobs and even creative industry - human labor in these areas is going to severely shrink or even disappear in the next couple of decades. There'll still be a need for specialist lawyers and surgeons and high skilled artists will find success, but even today, state of the art machine learning could replace basic general practitioner or lawyer work and do a better job at it. The skill level where humans can still compete with machines is rising rapidly. State of the art finance is no longer looking at moving averages and technical indicators or staring at 15 bloomberg screens trying to guess movements from charts. That's pretty much pleb level work that is going to disappear in short order. We are at a point where machine learning algorithms are not only generating trades, but are themselves designing other algorithms to trade. Financial advisors who have charged exorbitant prices for an ill-defined notion of "expertise" are living on borrowed time, because even today you have cheap or even free to use automated tools that do a much better job at coming up with a tailor made portfolio. Even more, these tools can maintain the portfolio for you, so you don't need to pay hefty fees to some dingbat in Mayfair to rebalance your stocks once a month.

I'm a libertarian at heart and flinch every time someone says wealth redistribution, but even I see the writing on the wall that humanity is not far from the post scarcity era. When most human beings are "useless" in terms of production and their labor is no longer beneficial to society, shouldn't we start seriously looking at the notion that, maybe, just maybe, not everyone will be able or have to work?
Schools. Education.

Not sure Trump will get it, though. He can offer affordable and quality edu to the population that risks loosing their income the most. Whether the expensive American model of education is ready for this is, though, highly debatable.
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Schools. Education.

Not sure Trump will get it, though. He can offer affordable and quality edu to the population that risks loosing their income the most. Whether the expensive American model of education is ready for this is, though, highly debatable.
While that is good for preparing people for higher skills, it still needs to translate to some economic role and purpose. The question is which ones. And not everybody will be capable of cybernetics or science. His post is more a question of what the future economy looks like. For that, I don't think this is something the government determines, unless you want to close off everybody's range of activities.
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I also don't watch professional wresting. Therefore I am a far superior person than those who do!
Oh it's not about watching wrestling. I'm sure you're very well aware of that.
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Definitely a noble topic to be the chief basis of voting for a President.
Unfortunately, choosing a president based on the future environmental impact is a bit of a luxury reserved for those who have a stable income, wealth, and comfort in their life.
The truth is, that the majority of people who struggle to have affordable housing, a paying job, clothes for their children and food on the table, the environmental state in the future is of lesser concern.


On the other hand, if we look at why the jobs have moved to developing countries, cheaper labor is only a small part. Industrial processes that would require waste-water facilities, emission treatments under good environmental policies will move to developing countries where these extra facilities aren't required. Encouraging companies to stay, and follow the stricter guidelines is actually better for the environment.
Indeed, it really depends on the priorities of the individuals.

Also, keep in mind Obama has signed the Monsanto Act and appointed the former Monsanto exec as head of FDA. So in this regard, Obama was not a good president either,of course only from my perspective.

I hope Trump will bring actions to solve the problems of those in need as you have rightfully highlighted.
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Indeed, it really depends on the priorities of the individuals.

Also, keep in mind Obama has signed the Monsanto Act and appointed the former Monsanto exec as head of FDA. So in this regard, Obama was not a good president either,of course only from my perspective.

I hope Trump will bring actions to solve the problems of those in need as you have rightfully highlighted.

Concepts like that should have taken more seriously by the Clinton supporters as opposed to offensive non sequiturs.
My biggest fear of having Clinton in power was the continuation of business deals and partnerships made through 'friends' soon after donations to the DNC or the Clinton foundation. This trend is very scary if one takes the time to do a little sleuthing even just with google.


A few items from Trump's 100 day plan are hopefully a step in the right direction (if he indeed follows through):


4. a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
5.a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
6.a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.
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I hope Trump will bring actions to solve the problems of those in need as you have rightfully highlighted.
I'm intrigued. How do you think he will solve the problem for "those in need" given he has repeatedly made comments about pretty much all of them in a disrespectful and sometimes outright disgusting manner? Why exactly would anyone believe that a multimillionaire with daddy's money in the background would even remotely understand, let alone care, about the needs of the "little man"? This alone defies all logic.
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Where did he fail?
Thanks for chuckles.

Let's see. Just on foreign policy:

-Invasion of Libya
-Post-invasion Libya
-Not acting to save our ambassador in Benghazi (not even trying)
-Backing the mullahs during Iran's Green Revolution
-His "red line" in Syria
-Arming unsavory types in Syria (and to no benefit)
-Treating ISIS as a "JV" team (his quote)
-Allowing Iran to control territory all the way to the Mediterranean
-Legitimizing Iran's nuclear program
-Paying $1.7 billion in ransom to Iran, which uses the funds for Hezbollah, the Houtis, et al.
-Letting Yemen fall
-Gross mismanagement of the Afghan war
-Hanging our Slavic allies out to dry on the Missile Shield as an attempt to reset relations with Putin
-Letting the Russians back into the Middle East
-Letting the Russians take control in Syria
-Russia's annexation of Crimea
-Russia's invasion of eastern Ukraine
-Losing the Philippines to China's orbit
-Letting the Chinese seize the South China Sea

... I know I'm leaving things out.
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I'm intrigued. How do you think he will solve the problem for "those in need" given he has repeatedly made comments about pretty much all of them in a disrespectful and sometimes outright disgusting manner? Why exactly would anyone believe that a multimillionaire with daddy's money in the background would even remotely understand, let alone care, about the needs of the "little man"? This alone defies all logic.
The issue with your statement, is that every person who runs for President is a multimillionaire.
The one potential difference is that he has his own money, and doesn't owe favors to those who gave it to him (well, maybe he should be nice to his daddy). Many other politicians have gotten rich by accepting 'donations' from hundreds of even richer elitist individuals, who of course have their own monetary interesting invested.
Yes Trump is also one of these, but to be able to at least communicate with the 'common' person is hopefully an indication that he is listening and understanding. Only 4 years will really tell.
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Only Trumpsters and Brexiteers watch wrestling - eat KFC and drink beer from cans.
I do NOT watch wrestling, nor eat KFC!

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What he actually did is to nominate a climate change denier as head of EPA.
So far, so good!

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Only Trumpsters and Brexiteers watch wrestling - eat KFC and drink beer from cans.
I drink beer from the can, but not from a bottle. I also like KFC. I dislike wrestling. Does that make me a moderate Trumpster? An Urbane Brexiteer?
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His reunification speech, I shall be President for all- is so puke worthy and so hypocritical and
He probably did a Melania and plagiarised Obama!

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I'm intrigued. How do you think he will solve the problem for "those in need" given he has repeatedly made comments about pretty much all of them in a disrespectful and sometimes outright disgusting manner? Why exactly would anyone believe that a multimillionaire with daddy's money in the background would even remotely understand, let alone care, about the needs of the "little man"? This alone defies all logic.
I don't think he will do anything for them.

I merely hope.
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