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Old 10.11.2016, 15:39
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a real class act, I mean really...can anyone defend that? if so, your a fukkin piece of shit too...
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Lol.
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can you take man a like Trump serious? really...he already set the bar, so there is nothing wrong keeping it there...
So, OSueco, you see right there is proof that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Trump's signal that it's fine to mock disabled people in such a juvenile manner for no other reason than to score a point at the podium is something that is now very much OK in today's society.

In my day, doing that in school assembly would probably have got you a detention and 100 lines. Today, post-Trump, it would score a win for the school debating society. Go figure.
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Old 10.11.2016, 15:42
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I have no idea whether he will be a good president or not because he's only a puppet


Uh huh. Are we talking about the same guy? The one who pissed off "his" entire party?

I'm not sure repeating Bush-era insults is the way to have a constructive debate.
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Old 10.11.2016, 15:46
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I have read both of their positions in detail posted on the internet (hint: try googling them) and both sound good.
I personally think the man presented himself as a boor. I'm not so sure if that is a veneer or not.

As far as I can tell the people who voted for him were formost interested in economic revival. Even if Trump has been a successful businessman (for the sake of argument let's just ignore if he interited money, cheated partners, paid the minimum tax, and produced things offshore), the question is does this mean that he has the grasp of economics which a president needs to influence the economy positively? I think not, and I am not alone in that opinion.

https://sites.google.com/site/economistsagainsttrump/
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Old 10.11.2016, 15:53
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I was watching CNN this morning (yes, I know) and they were all abuzz with transition news - Trump and Obama will be meeting today at the White House.

Anyway, they were talking about likely cabinet members, and one of the commentators remarked that sub cabinet positions might be difficult to fill as so many Republicans refused to support Trump initially. But we'll see - when that cushy job comes calling, memories can be very short.


So all the sub cabinet employees have to be vetted, right - but what happens if the president wouldn't normally pass a security clearance. Guess it doesn't matter?
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I drink beer from the can, but not from a bottle. I also like KFC. I dislike wrestling. Does that make me a moderate Trumpster? An Urbane Brexiteer?
You forgot your pedigree, schools and assumed priviledges. Outrage worthy, you pass.

I am kidding, just poking fun at the fake&facetious anti-intellectuals.

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You've made some good points in the rest of your post - about the low-skilled jobs, but even there it's debatable.
However, if we are to talk about the charisma each candidate had and/or about the sympathy/empathy they managed to transmit to the audience, and you still say you'd take Trump over Hillary because he scored better here, I don't know what else can be said. His message was anything but sympathetic to any segment of the population - he played his card on stirring the pot and polarising the votes.
I have to admit that he is a very clever political construct (ha ha, the anti-establishment guy) of the Republicans, so I don't worry that he will actually run the country.
I have no idea whether he will be a good president or not because he's only a puppet who enjoys the appearance of power and the image associated with said power.
So relax everybody, we've been there, done that.
We might have been there and done that but not while there are open grave conflicts going left and right around us. I think that might be the part we have not been through with a loose canon ball president.
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Old 10.11.2016, 15:59
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In my day, doing that in school assembly would probably have got you a detention and 100 lines. Today, post-Trump, it would score a win for the school debating society. Go figure.
What planet are you on? Today people are far more censored for what they're "allowed" to say. There's a reason South Park came up with PC Principal last year.

Oh, and you didn't get my Lol. Lol.

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So all the sub cabinet employees have to be vetted, right - but what happens if the president wouldn't normally pass a security clearance. Guess it doesn't matter?
All of the sub-cabinet with access to classified information will have to go through the security clearance process (unless their surname is Clinton, Abedin or Mills).
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Trump's signal that it's fine to mock disabled people in such a juvenile manner for no other reason than to score a point at the podium is something that is now very much OK in today's society.

In my day, doing that in school assembly would probably have got you a detention and 100 lines. Today, post-Trump, it would score a win for the school debating society. Go figure.
Bullying and obnoxiousness ("telling it like it is") seems to be admired these days. Perhaps this has come about since these contest/humiliation shows became popular, like The Weakest Link, Big Brother, eating grubs in the jungle, etc. Or could it also be because of a decline in empathy through Internet use and the kind of communication encouraged by social media? Twitter must be great for throwing insults. They're usually short and you don't even need to see the person.
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Old 10.11.2016, 16:04
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I personally think the man presented himself as a boor. I'm not so sure if that is a veneer or not.

As far as I can tell the people who voted for him were formost interested in economic revival. Even if Trump has been a successful businessman (for the sake of argument let's just ignore if he interited money, cheated partners, paid the minimum tax, and produced things offshore), the question is does this mean that he has the grasp of economics which a president needs to influence the economy positively? I think not, and I am not alone in that opinion.

https://sites.google.com/site/economistsagainsttrump/

I will honestly admit, my knowledge of economics is not that deep, so I do have to take it at face value (both positions and the expert's opinions).


But as I said on that level this sounds good:


-Strengthen American manufacturing through a $10 billion investment in “Make it in America” partnerships
-Prevent countries like China from abusing global trade rules and reject trade agreements that don’t meet high standards
-no to trade deals, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that do not meet high standard of raising wages, creating good-paying jobs, and enhancing our national security.
-Revitalize the hardest-hit manufacturing communities by creating tax incentives to encourage investment in communities that have faced or are about to face significant manufacturing job losses.
-Crack down on companies that ship jobs and earnings overseas and create incentives for companies to bring back jobs to the U.S.
-Invest in America’s manufacturing workforce to ensure that it will always be the best in the world.
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Twitter must be great for throwing insults. They're usually short and you don't even need to see the person.
It is - you should see the bile spouted by labour voters/remainers/Clintonites
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Old 10.11.2016, 16:06
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What planet are you on? Today people are far more censored for what they're "allowed" to say. There's a reason South Park came up with PC Principal last year.
Nope, not really. Open juvenile-style mocking of a disability by a politician with an audience has probably been a bit gauche for generations. Especially if you are using it to win a point because you can't actually come up with something factual and sensible to counter it. Then it's even more cringey.

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What planet are you on? Today people are far more censored for what they're "allowed" to say. There's a reason South Park came up with PC Principal last year.

Oh, and you didn't get my Lol. Lol.

I personally found the burning of Trump in effigy in LA to be as low and hateful as anything that Trump said. These are people protesting against what they see as a threat to a free and open society, yet for some perverse reason they seem to think that there is nothing wrong with stooping to any level whatsoever to get your soundbite in.

Caliban needs to look at his reflection to see whence it stems, he is impervious to having it pointed out to him.
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I have no idea whether he will be a good president or not because he's only a puppet who enjoys the appearance of power and the image associated with said power.
I'm not sure about this one. Monkey George Jr was a puppet, surely.

But this erratic, unpredictable egomaniac? Nah. I think he's not a puppet in any way. Which is precisely what makes him dangerous.
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I personally found the burning of Trump in effigy in LA to be as low and hateful as anything that Trump said. These are people protesting against what they see as a threat to a free and open society, yet for some perverse reason they seem to think that there is nothing wrong with stooping to any level whatsoever to get your soundbite in.

Caliban needs to look at his reflection to see whence it stems, he is impervious to having it pointed out to him.
Trump's crass actions hurt some guy's feelings. And yet...

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Trump's crass actions hurt some guy's feelings. And yet...
Are you suggesting that non-Trump voters aren't all love and lentils?
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Old 10.11.2016, 16:42
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I suppose we could have a long discussion about how do we judge if a President is good or not?

Trump has no formal political experience which might be positive or negative for his future success.

His most important decisions will be selecting his Cabinet and then how much freedom he gives them and how much he listens to their advice.

I suspect he will be a loose cannon and make too many off the cuff remarks and actions.
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Trump's crass actions hurt some guy's feelings. And yet...

But that's all ok, no?

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It's the way the prez deals with pesky annoyances.
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Re: Will Trump be a Good President?

I think it would be a very interesting experiment. I think everyone at some point has fancied that they might run the country better than the premier, but now we get to see what actually happens when all the compromises and trade-offs that you don't need to figure out when pontificating on your armchair become real constraints. When you are not a dictator, but rather need to convince other politicians with their own agendas to support you.
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Sorry didn't read the thread, but F?ck NO!!!
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I will honestly admit, my knowledge of economics is not that deep, so I do have to take it at face value (both positions and the expert's opinions).


But as I said on that level this sounds good:


-Strengthen American manufacturing through a $10 billion "we have no idea how we can scrape up yet more cash" fund in “Make it in America” partnerships
-Prevent countries like China from abusing global trade rules and reject trade agreements that do meet high standards
-no to trade deals, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that insist on a high standard of raising wages, creating good-paying jobs, and enhancing our national security.
-Attempt to revitalize the hardest-hit manufacturing communities by creating tax incentives to encourage investment in communities that have faced or are about to face significant manufacturing job losses.
-Shit on companies that ship jobs and earnings overseas and bribe companies to bring back jobs to the U.S (except for his which will continue to manufacture overseas).
-Invest in America’s manufacturing workforce in the hopes that someday, maybe, it might be the best in the world.
Ftfy.

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