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Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

Lob Robster, could you possibly give us an explanation what is propaganda?

Is a Jew asking for justice to be done for denials by Nazis of the Holocaust a propaganda?

If not, why is a Chines asking for justice to be done by denials by the Japanese of the Massacres a propaganda?

With your move, the so-called "free speech" you Westerners keep criticizing China as lacking proves to be so hypocritical.

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Old 16.01.2007, 15:10
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

Hard hat on ...............

There was a young man called Champsy
Who was as angry as any could be
He denied the holocaust
And ended up in the court
Now he's the b**** of prison wing C
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

If not popcorn, then maybe a cup of tea?
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

You've just shown yourself up. Have a month ban. Grow up.
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

An explanation of the ban:

Champson, posting on Englishforum which is a resource for English-speaking foreigners in or coming to Switzerland, has decided to embark on a process where he/she wishes to "educate" (brainwash, convince of conspiracy theories) the forum members.

Now understanding what kind of visitors we get here, this type of thread has no place on the forum. So I lock it and PM champson to ask that he/she refrains for those reasons.

Champson, in return, launches a thinly-disguised personal attack accusing me of censorship and the like - based on my origins as a "Westerner" (so he/she assumes).

No, I say - but don't expect me to google for a forum where such discussions are welcome - as they are not welcome here. All I see is a poster with fingers jammed into his/her ears going "nah nah nah I can't hear you".

So a month vacation to the winner of quite a few red dots. And it's not because you're Chinese (so you insinuate; I never believe anything I read on the internet) - it's because you don't listen and refuse to see any other way.
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

Thanks Lob, good move!
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

ît looks like that was inevitable. Rule no 1 on a forum, don't abuse the mods, you will regret it.

Good move, Lob
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

I'm leaving this thread here because a) I really don't like locking threads b) I did try to subtly urge Champson that this discussion would not be overly-welcome here and c) abusing anyone, never mind their status, is a no-no.

This site is about life in Switzerland and this "political" forum is more for lighthearted what's-in-the-news-internationally stuff.

I'd love a bloody day off!
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

Yes, how posters interact with moderators is one thing, but I personally was finding that the tone this particular poster was taking was just way too much for this Forum.
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Good Move.
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

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Lob Robster, could you possibly give us an explanation what is propaganda?

Is a Jew asking for justice to be done for denials by Nazis of the Holocaust a propaganda?

If not, why is a Chines asking for justice to be done by denials by the Japanese of the Massacres a propaganda?

With your move, the so-called "free speech" you Westerners keep criticizing China as lacking proves to be so hypocritical.

Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!


Okay,
I know I write badly, am a bit slow etc. but I don't get this will someone explain?
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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

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Okay,
I know I write badly, am a bit slow etc. but I don't get this will someone explain?
You can start here if you haven't got anything better to do

Top 5 Myths About China (I believe most of the Swiss do have)
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Yep, I got all that before, may be it's the way that it's written.
The poor guy got banned? Must have been the Jewish thing? Ok-still don't get it, I give up.
I am the person most on line and I have loads of stuff to do but I am fully wired ( buying the webphone was a bad move) this is my form of escapism- I'm a sad person. ( I tried to stop and couldn't)
They'll ban me soon I'm sure. Anyway I don't have the longest running thread -you do!
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Did not sound poor to me I am sure Lob gave him enough warnings.
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Jamacain Rum your icon thing, looks so menacing-who are those guys? Rob Locksters lady is doing my Tae kwon Do push ups.
Well Chisese New Year is almost here, so I will go to see a showcase exhibition of Chinese arts and try to forget the BBC report on a Chinese village where people are suffocating from air polution. Here's another forum discussing this, they claim that china is the most polluted place on earth
http://forums.appleinsider.com/archi...p/t-52387.html
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No idea looked funny so I used it. Vishi thinks it's me and is turned on by it
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Let's reason things out

After being banned for one month, I had almost given up my right to reason things out again. Now that you gave me such labels knowing I could not refute, I am here to drop a few lines (not bombs) to REASON things out and then you could ban me again if you like.

To Lob Rockster: Your ban on my right to speech on this forum was not justifiable on the following grounds:

(1). I did not violate any forum rules. Mikey accused me "He denied the holocaust", which was badly, if not deliberately, misinterpreted. In my contentious thread "Why the Japs are still hated in Asia", my original sentence was in reaction to the outrageous comment by Jazz "the Youtube clips (saying Japanese did not commit Nanking Massacre in China's capital at all) are beginning to make me agree. maybe it(Nanking Massacre in which 300,000 Chinese were slaughtered within one month) never happened after all. And there was me believing it did."

Then I used typical sarcanism irony as metaphorial means to repudiate Jazz:
Thank you for your conclusion: Nanking Massacre never happened.
(Then in the same logic, the human history would have been completely upside down! Then ----)
Pearl Harbor never happened either.
Nor did the Holocaust ever happen! It was just a propaganda campaign by the pathetic Jews to defame our great leader Hitler, fan up anti-German sentiments and win sympathy in favor of Israel.

Any reader with elementary education and basic history knowledge could discern my irony at Jazz's bad logic. "Using one's absurd logic to refute him is the best way to fight back". Did I deny Holocaust? I had been trying to tell you the slaughtering of Chinese by the Japanese army was also a Holocaust, albeit forgotten by the West!

(2). You claimed "This site is about life in Switzerland and this "political" forum is more for lighthearted what's-in-the-news-internationally stuff." Fine. But why didn't you ban the contentious discussion about hanging Sadamm and "dividing Iraq" or show no intention whatsoever at all? Why do you show no intention to intervene when Verena Scherer wrote in this thread the equally contentious "China is the most polluted place on earth"? If I tell Scherer my German friend just returned from New Dehli and switched the same previous belief as Scherer, if I tell Scherer your impression came not from truth but selective negative reporting by British media just because China is still a "Communist" country, such thread exchanges immediately become "contentious". How come? Why so? Have you seriously given your subconscious response any reflections? Why so??

(3). I know my tone of arguing did not please many readers. Too much irony. Too much "unconventional" perspective of observing things (deviating from the "orthodox" Western way of thinking. But isn't the Western society supposed to be more tolerant and freer in speech than those "barbarian Chinese"? Was a bit deviation from your orthodox really worth a one-month ban of free speech? In a way your reasoning has something in common with China's Internet Police Bureau, who claims "this site (i.e. BBC Chinese site) is too different from our perpective of observing things. We now announce you are banned. No audience can hear your voice online now." If BBC complains it deserves right to free speech in China, the Internet Police Bureau would answer in the same way as you: "I'm banning BBC here because a) We really don't like banning websites b) I did try to subtly urge BBC that its discussion about China would not be overly-welcome here and c) abusing Chinese Internet laws, never mind their status, is a no-no. Our Internet is about life in China and your "political" stuff had better remain lighthearted what's-in-the-news stuff."

I never argues with Internet Police Bureau in China. And in the same logic, I know it would be no use arguing with the dignified You. You could well ban me altogether from this forum. I don't care. But before that, I'd like to post an article from New York Times today to let everyone know why I initiated the thread "Why the Japs are still hated in Asia". This could be my last posting here before your noble ban, but let everyone just for himself: Was Champson offending other intentionally, or was he too much offended by such ugly things before?

May such a question mark always be together with your reasoning. Bye.
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Japan Resists Call to Apologize for War Practice

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/wo...l?hpPublished: March 5, 2007

TOKYO, March 5 — Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said today that if the United States Congress demands that Japan apologize for his nation’s use of foreign women as sexual slaves during World War II, his government will refuse to comply.


Japan has already lobbied hard against a resolution now under consideration in the United States House of Representatives, which would call on Tokyo to take clearer responsibility for the Japanese army’s enslavement of about 200,000 women, mostly Korean or Chinese, who were euphemistically called comfort women.


Japan has apologized over the matter before, including in 1993. But there are widespread concerns that Mr. Abe and other conservative Japanese lawmakers may try to water down or reverse such public admissions of guilt, as part of a broader push to change the way the nation regards its wartime history.


Speaking in Japan’s parliament, Mr. Abe reiterated the position of conservative scholars here that Japanese soldiers and government officials had no hand in forcing women into brothels during the war; they say that private contractors hired by the Japan’s military were to blame.
Former comfort women have testified before a House committee that they were kidnapped by Japanese soldiers to serve in military brothels. But Mr. Abe said that any such testimony was “a complete fabrication.”
He also criticized the proposed House resolution, which holds Japanese authorities responsible for the coercion, saying that it “was not based in objective fact, and does not consider the Japanese government’s measures so far.”


Political analysts said that because the House resolution, if passed, would be nonbinding, Tokyo would not be likely to cause any important diplomatic problems with its main ally, the United States, by simply ignoring it. But Japanese diplomats worry that Mr. Abe or other Japanese politicians could overreact to it, and make claims that reinforce the perception in the United States and elsewhere that Japan remains unrepentant for its wartime aggression, analysts said.


“It just looks bad for the prime minister to be getting involved in these sorts of historical details,” said Minoru Morita, a political analyst who runs an independent research consultancy in Tokyo. “Plus, his argument isn’t going to sway world opinion anyway. Even if the military wasn’t pointing guns at the women, they still could have been coerced.”


In an apparent nod to such concerns, Mr. Abe appeared to pull back from a comment he made last week, denying that the women had been forced to work in brothels at all. He told parliament today that he supported a 1993 Japanese government statement acknowledging that the military had at least an indirect role in forcing the women into sexual slavery.


That statement also included an apology to the women. And it set up a government-backed fund to compensate them. The fund is due to expire this month.


“There probably was not anyone who followed that path because they wanted to follow it,” Mr. Abe said, speaking of the women in the military brothels. “In the broad sense, there was coercion.”


With this limited concession, Mr. Abe appeared to be trying to defuse a growing diplomatic row with Japan’s Asian neighbors over his remarks last week, which outraged officials and women’s groups across the region. As surveys show his approval rating falling among Japanese voters, Mr. Abe can ill afford to be seen as unnecessarily provoking China and South Korea, much less undermining ties with the United States, political analysts and opposition lawmakers said.


“If Japan doesn’t apologize and repent for its past violations of human rights, won’t it lose international trust?” Toshio Ogawa, a legislator from the opposition Democratic Party, asked Mr. Abe during the parliamentary debate today.


Still, merely accepting the 1993 statement is something of a compromise on the part of Mr. Abe, who has built his political reputation in part on calls for greater national pride and assertiveness and a reconsideration of Japan’s wartime history. He has led a group of lawmakers within the ruling Liberal Democratic Party who want to modify the 1993 statement, which they say inaccurately casts the actions of Japanese soldiers in a negative light.
Mr. Morita and others said Mr. Abe’s promise today not to comply with the House resolution appeared to be an attempt to appease his conservative base without repudiating the 1993 statement.


But by insisting that the coercion in the military brothels was not the work of officials or the military, Mr. Abe is effectively dismissing as liars the aging women who have come forward with tearful testimony about their ordeals — a stance with public-relations risks of its own.


One of the women is Lee Yong-soo, 78, a South Korean who testified in the House last month that she had been kidnapped by Japanese soldiers at the age of 16 and had been raped repeatedly at an army brothel. In a news conference last week in Tokyo, she said Japanese soldiers dragged her from her home with her mouth covered so that she could not call to her mother for help.


“I want Japan and the Japanese prime minister to apologize,” she said. “As a victim who was forcibly taken, as someone who lived through those events, I’m a living witness.”



Sex slave denial angers S Korea

South Korea says the truth must be upheld about comfort women

South Korea has criticised the Japanese prime minister for questioning whether women were forced to become sex slaves by Japan's army during World War II.[/B] Prime Minister Shinzo Abe sparked anger on Thursday by saying there was "no evidence to prove there was coercion".
South Korean Foreign Minister Song Min-soon said his remarks were "not helpful" and the truth must be faced.
Historians believe at least 200,000 women were forced to serve in Japanese army brothels during World War II.
A Japanese Cabinet spokesman appeared to play down Mr Abe's comments by saying the prime minister stood by a 1993 government apology for the use of so-called "comfort women".
But Mr Song said the Japanese leader's remarks were not helpful in efforts to build better relations between their two countries.
Revisionist moves
"There has been debate over the question of whether there was coercion," Mr Abe told journalists on Thursday.
"But the fact is, there was no evidence to prove there was coercion as initially suggested."
The US Congress is currently considering a resolution calling on Tokyo to "formally acknowledge, apologise and accept historical responsibility" for the comfort women.
An estimated 200,000 women were forced to become sex slaves


The draft text was debated by the House of Representatives last week, prompting criticism from Japan's foreign minister, who said it was "not based on objective facts".
Some Japanese conservative politicians have questioned the extent of the country's wartime atrocities.
A number are seeking to downgrade the government's 1993 acknowledgement that the Imperial Army set up and ran brothels for its troops during the war.
Compensation sought
The non-binding resolution before the US Congress seeks to reject the revisionists' moves.
Three former comfort women gave evidence at the US hearing, describing the rape and torture they endured at the hands of the Japanese soldiers.

Many former comfort women - most of whom were from Korea and China - are still seeking compensation from the Japanese government for their experiences.

Tokyo did set up a compensation fund in 1995, but it relies on private donations rather than government money.


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Re: Pathetic power abuser with no human sympathy!

I actually think your latest post deserves attention after what I've lately read -- even the Americans are now pissed off at the Japanese. The Japanese never took part in forced sexual labor during World War II?!? (there were the supposedly 200,000 such sexual slaves at the time)... And it was the Japanese *Prime Minister* who just denied such actions (despite apologizes in the 1990s)... Maybe I am being crazy posting this. We'll see how the US Congress acts on the latest comments -- the NZZ said that they have now invited multiple direct witnesses to testify.

OK now I wish I had not made this post after your latest "comments" (aka copy and post action).
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OK now I wish I had not made this post after your latest "comments" (aka copy and post action).
The last post was copied and pasted from BBC World.

Sorry for my obvious technical problem with pasting.

The fact the Japanese Government kept denying Nanking Massacre, colonization of Korea and comfort women has planted seeds of hatred in the hearts of many Chinese and Koreans. Something hardly noticed in Europe(because they are simply unlike the repentant and honest Germans).

Hence the misundertanding of my thread intention.
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