According to the Turkish prime minister Recep Erdogan, no genocide has happened in Darfur, and Sudan's president Omar al-Bashir is not guilty of the crimes for which he was indicted by the International Criminal Court.

Erdogan says he is sure of this, simply because "Muslims can not commit genocide" - so the thugs who killed about half a million people in Darfur are not guilty, simply because they are Muslims.

What a turd.

The only other politician I can think of whose stupidity has soared to such impossible heights is George Bush Senior, in his breathtakingly idiotic remark that American atheists should not be considered American citizens.

Sadly, the fact that such retards can attain such political positions of power does not bode well for the future of the pale blue dot.

If someone like the Turkish prime minister could say muslims cannot commit genocide,then i believe there is no moderate muslim.This quote are also from him.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers"

Your beliefs are easily shaken.

There are moderate Muslims that are members of this forum.

Statement disproved. Case closed.

Wait till this thread gets locked or DB starts sending you long winded messages. He might beg the mods to protect Swiss from factually correct information that might show Islam in a bad light too

With koranic views there are no moderate muslims with respect to non muslims.Case open.

are we back talking religion and muslims again?

wonder if we can just lock the usual suspects in this thread stick it on ignore and be done with it?

Donavir (and Ravi, and whoever else), please do not derail the thread any further. Further off-topic postings may be deleted, and persistent derailers may be sent on vacation.

Topic: Is Mr. Erdogan stupid? How stupid is he? What does this mean for pale blue dots everywhere? Discuss.

Topic: Is Mr. Erdogan stupid? How stupid is he? What does this mean for pale blue dots everywhere?

Mr Erdogan is stupid to non Muslims but he is a hero to Muslim fundamentalists.His quote above are his belief and creed base on his religion infused with politics.

I tried to follow up this alleged quote on other news source and they all seem to point back to the original Seth Freedman piece in the Guardian. It is of course worth noting that Mr Freedman is a Jerusalem based Israeli, so perhaps not the most impartial source.

slowly but surely Turkey is being pushed into a fundamentalist state where there is hardly any free speech unless it s used to promote the government or better yet Mr Erdogan

With the 2002 elections when Erdogan's party came to become the majority government, Turkey started to lose its muslim but secular footing.
It can be argued whether the country was a good democracy back then but it was definitely better than what it is now

Sorry, but this topic has in been answered on page one and two of the "Is Switzerland anti-muslim" threat. I do not argue it again....ok, just in short:

1. Yes, I think he is stupid. I posted the link with an example article explaining why I think so here. He actively tries to convince muslims in Europe to not integrate, which has a lot of very negative effects for the ones who follow him.

2. He was convicted in a muslim majority country, Turkey, for spreading religious hatred when he made the minaret statement. This was long before he was prime minister, so saying "the prime minister of Turkey said" is just as ignorant as his statement. The statement was apparently as unaccepatble for Turkish muslims as it is for us, so whoever wants to deduct that there are no moderate muslims out of this example is plainly stupid.

No the quote is correct.. being repeated in various Turkish media..
PM Erdogan is not alone in that view.. Turkish President is also backing that view..

Turks had their chance to kick him out in 2007 but instead they re-elected him for a second term. As far as I know there were no allegations of vote rigging

Bl**dy democracies!!! That's just TYPICAL!!!
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governors and municipalities distributed washing machines/fridges to win votes
even in villages without any electricity

You mean like in Florida?

Do you have any source for that one?

i can try to look up the articles stating one particular governor's defense

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.as...&CategoryID=77
unfortunately it s in Turkish.. but think u can use Google to translate the page

an a correction the governor did not distribute it in a village w/o power.. the village was w/o water

Google translate does have quite some issues with the article... but I guess I got the point. At least partly: Do I get it correctly that it was not about the presidential elections or anything religious, but some local economic thing?

Pretty sad, but not not really a point to prove fanatism of the Turkish. Otherwise I am not sure what I should say, my country has a finance minister that has "forgotten" that he received an illegal transaction for his political party from an arms trader... and can continue to make a career from one ministry to the next. So just an even minor case of the usual corruption? Although it does have a lot of irony in it... and lacks water.

Although never fortunate enough to have visited the Swat valley or Helmand - much as I'd like to one day - all the Muslims I've worked with / made love to / danced alongside with / drank tea with have not so far demanded I mention those special words which make me, too, a Muslim. So case closed.

Yes, it's sad. The only lesson is to use one's vote wisely.

Thanks everyone.