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Old 04.10.2011, 18:37
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So her official tariff for false accusation was time served and €20k to the bar owner? Got a source for that?
It's not time served, it's three years (she's been inside for four). Source: the verdict (summary courtesy of the Hate Mail - scroll down to the blue box)
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Old 04.10.2011, 18:37
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The only DNA found on Meredith's body was from Rudy Guede. That would make the assumption that there was some kind of botched sex game between the four, which was the prosecutors argument, null and void.
Assumption isn't proof beyond reasonable doubt.
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Old 04.10.2011, 18:40
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Assumption isn't proof beyond reasonable doubt.
Err, yes. Hence why the "sex game" argument couldn't stand up in court.
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Old 04.10.2011, 18:43
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It's not time served, it's three years (she's been inside for four). Source: the verdict (summary courtesy of the Hate Mail - scroll down to the blue box)
Thanks. So she can sue for 1 year's false imprisonment? She could also contest the decision as she alleges the Police already suggested it.

A real mess.
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Old 04.10.2011, 18:44
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Assumption isn't proof beyond reasonable doubt.
But it works for EF, so why not IRL?
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well she isn't and I recon she did it
Beyond reasonable doubt?, worth 26 years or life or a death penalty (in other jurisdictions)?

Ever served on a jury?
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Old 04.10.2011, 18:49
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Maybe with Italy facing so much financial crisis continuing to hear appeal after appeal and all the work involved they just dropped it and booted her out of the country. I mean if we can acquit Casey Anthony, the Italians can find it in their hearts to return another young American girl back to the streets in the US as well.
There's an interesting article on this on BBC online. Italy has a low prison population, as challenging the weakest piece of evidence against you is sufficient to overturn a conviction. Once the DNA was challengable, the case was eminently winnable on this basis. Apparently as follows from BBC:

"9. Appeals process
The Italian appeals process offers more guarantees to defendants than any other legal system in the world, whereby only the weakest evidence is treated, not the whole case. Knox's team only had to attack the DNA evidence against her to undermine the whole edifice of the original trial. Italy has one of lowest prison populations in the world because of its lenient appeals process."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15157384

Personally I'm impressed the BBC is capable of comparing the Italian appeal system to "any other system in the world".
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Old 04.10.2011, 19:24
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Does anyone else have the similar feeling like after OJ's acquittal that no one else is really being sought for the crime?


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...-201110044377/

they have the murderer, is there any hard evidence that anyone else was in the room?

And the motive seemed totally unreasonable. How many cases of attempted sex games leading to murder happen? Especially with two young people with a non violent history. And even if Knox is dodgy, what about the boyfriend? Duped into a game of murder because he can't control his hormones. Implausible.

If they cleaned up the murder scene, how did they remove all of their DNA but only leave the other person's DNA? Are they forensic experts? Can you really be involved in a murder like this and not leave your DNA?

American bias, whatever, read both sides of the case, biased towards logic.

It is possible that somehow, someway Knox was involved but not in the manner the prosecution claimed. So many possibilities, maybe she let the guy in to buy drugs off him.

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Re: Knox case...

There must be a reason why she lied about it so much but i think we will never know the truth.
But having watched yesterdays developments and closely watched the body language of both parties and reactions i truly believe Knox didnt physically kill her but im not to sure about the boyfriend he was way to calm about the whole thing.
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Old 04.10.2011, 22:43
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So her official tariff for false accusation was time served and €20k to the bar owner? Got a source for that?
And his court costs and lawyer fees.

Source somewhere, but it's in Italian.

Anyway, the motivations for the verdict will be published in early January, and the prosecution will have 45 days to lodge their appeal after that, so just more waiting until the next stage next spring.

Tom

P.S. Knox's ex-cellmate, who was acquitted after her first appeal, was found guilty on the second, and returned to prison. Something to think about.

To quote the great Yogi, "it ain't over 'till it's over"!
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Old 05.10.2011, 03:07
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There's an interesting article on this on BBC online. Italy has a low prison population, as challenging the weakest piece of evidence against you is sufficient to overturn a conviction. Once the DNA was challengable, the case was eminently winnable on this basis. Apparently as follows from BBC:

"9. Appeals process
The Italian appeals process offers more guarantees to defendants than any other legal system in the world, whereby only the weakest evidence is treated, not the whole case. Knox's team only had to attack the DNA evidence against her to undermine the whole edifice of the original trial. Italy has one of lowest prison populations in the world because of its lenient appeals process."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15157384

Personally I'm impressed the BBC is capable of comparing the Italian appeal system to "any other system in the world".
You ever see the film "The Talented Mr Ripley"?
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Old 05.10.2011, 03:09
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There must be a reason why she lied about it so much but i think we will never know the truth.
But having watched yesterdays developments and closely watched the body language of both parties and reactions i truly believe Knox didnt physically kill her but im not to sure about the boyfriend he was way to calm about the whole thing.
Oh Body language as an argument, nice Monsignor.
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Old 05.10.2011, 12:13
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There must be a reason why she lied about it so much but i think we will never know the truth.<snip>
U-huh... yes I think that's what most people are saying...
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Italy's highest court has ordered US student Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito to face a retrial over the 2007 killing of Briton Meredith Kercher.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21936308
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Old 26.03.2013, 11:29
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Re: Knox case...

Good to know that it's not just Italian elections that take place every few months, seems their judicial system is riddled with indecision too. The press releases don't seem to point to any new evidence in this murder case.

I'm not sure if she has to go back or if the US would even extradite after her previous acquittal?
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Old 26.03.2013, 11:30
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Yes, she's back to being a convicted murderer.

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Good to know that it's not just Italian elections that take place every few months, seems their judicial system is riddled with indecision too. The press releases don't seem to point to any new evidence in this murder case.

I'm not sure if she has to go back or if the US would even extradite after her previous acquittal?
The acquittal doesn't exist, it has been annulled. Only the first conviction stands.

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Old 26.03.2013, 11:57
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The acquittal doesn't exist, it has been annulled. Only the first conviction stands.

Tom
Then I do not understand "why a retrial if the first conviction stands"?

Anyway in most countries re-trials are not allowed, funny system in Italy .
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Anyway in most countries re-trials are not allowed, funny system in Italy .
Well they had new evidences (just glanced quickly at the news)...
So it seems more normal, more fair rather than "funny"
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Old 26.03.2013, 12:00
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Then I do not understand "why a retrial if the first conviction stands"?

Anyway in most countries re-trials are not allowed, funny system in Italy .
So, the first appeal was annulled as it wasn't done correctly, so they have to redo the first appeal as it no longer exists.

In Italy, first appeals are in fact retrials to either confirm or reverse the first trial. Second appeals are to confirm the first appeal, or reject it, as was the case here.

They don't HAVE to do a retrial, but if they don't, the conviction for murder stands.

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