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What the US version of Double Jeapordy got to do with it? Italy has no such law, and it falls under Italian jurisdiction.
Italy has signed the European Human Rights Convention protocol dealing with Double Jeopardy.
And Italy (or, rather, the Roman Empire) had the principle of 'ne bis in idem' in their laws more than 1000 years before Columbus stumbled onto the beaches of his first Caribbean island.
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Italy has signed the European Human Rights Convention protocol dealing with Double Jeopardy.
And Italy (or, rather, the Roman Empire) had the principle of 'ne bis in idem' in their laws more than 1000 years before Columbus stumbled onto the beaches of his first Caribbean island.

Still doesnt get away from the fact that Double Jeapordy does not apply.
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Old 31.01.2014, 16:12
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What the US version of Double Jeapordy got to do with it? Italy has no such law, and it falls under Italian jurisdiction.
As Knox is a U.S. citizen, presently in the U.S., she can fight her extradition using U.S. laws. Sollecito not so lucky.
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Old 31.01.2014, 16:53
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There is no double-jeopardy in this case, so nothing to fight extradition.

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Old 31.01.2014, 17:02
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In any case, it wasnt a retrial, it was a continuation of the first trial.
Actually, it was a re-hash of the annulled first appeal.

If the second appeal confirms their conviction, then it's over, and they will extradite.

If they don't confirm it, and annul the results of this appeal, then it's back to re-doing the first appeal again, etc.

However, the second appeal only looks at legal procedures, and not evidence.

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Guardian video interview with Amanda Knox: guilty verdict 'like a train wreck'
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Old 01.02.2014, 01:19
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What the US version of Double Jeapordy got to do with it? Italy has no such law, and it falls under Italian jurisdiction.

In any case, it wasnt a retrial, it was a continuation of the first trial.
She's a US citizen, currently in the US. If there's a request to extradite for something thats not it line with US law, the chances are slim to nil that the US will comply. Not taking sides here, but that's why it matters.
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Old 01.02.2014, 10:48
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Re: Knox case...

A lot of people, especially in the US, fail to understand that the verdict isn't final until the supreme court says it is, so that means that every verdict so far is only provisional.

The next step is the supreme court. If they find no errors in this appeal, the guilty verdict will be finalized, otherwise they will do as they did last spring, i.e. annul the appeal and send it back to the lower appeals court.

The is no double jeopardy, as there will only be one final verdict. Once the verdict is final, guilty or not guilty, it's over, they cannot be tried again.

But it ain't over 'til it's over.

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Old 01.02.2014, 11:46
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Re: Knox case...

Knox, Knox.

Who's there?

Amanda.

Amanda who?

Amanda end of my tether in Italy.
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Old 01.02.2014, 11:52
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A lot of people, especially in the US, fail to understand that the verdict isn't final until the supreme court says it is, so that means that every verdict so far is only provisional.

The next step is the supreme court. If they find no errors in this appeal, the guilty verdict will be finalized, otherwise they will do as they did last spring, i.e. annul the appeal and send it back to the lower appeals court.

The is no double jeopardy, as there will only be one final verdict. Once the verdict is final, guilty or not guilty, it's over, they cannot be tried again.

But it ain't over 'til it's over.

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It would be nice if the media explained it this way. The major news outlets called it a second trial and said the jury deliberated for 12 hours. CNN talked quite a bit about double jeopardy.
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Old 01.02.2014, 12:17
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It would be nice if the media explained it this way. The major news outlets called it a second trial and said the jury deliberated for 12 hours. CNN talked quite a bit about double jeopardy.
There's a reason that they hired a PR firm before they hired a lawyer.

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Old 01.02.2014, 13:27
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Re: Knox case...

It's as clear as day that they did it. I don't understand the support they have.

Does good PR let you look good after murdering someone? What's the reaction of the average American?
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Re: Knox case...

http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/ala...1/31/id/550244

I haven't really been following this so I can't offer much of an opinion, except that the camps seem to be pretty solid. Alan Dershowitz's comments are interesting: The US chooses looks over evidence; thousands of poor people in the US have been convicted with far less evidence, so rants about Italy's judicial system are a little out of place; there is indeed evidence against Knox and Sollecito - whether it is enough to convict is up to the judges.
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Does good PR let you look good after murdering someone?
No idea. OJ Simpson might know about this.

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I don't understand the support they have.
She looks better than OJ. Does the Sollecito guy have any support in the US ?
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Old 02.02.2014, 00:29
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Guilty. Anyone who blames an innocent man (black immigrant married with kids) and ruins his life with what are later exposed as lies has something to hide.

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You mean Rudy Guede as an innocent man? Copied from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffael...to#Rudy_Guede:

"Guede allegedly committed break ins, including one of a lawyer's office through a second-story window, and another during which he burgled a flat and brandished a jackknife when confronted.[48] On 27 October, days before Kercher's murder, Guede was arrested in Milan after breaking into a nursery school, he was reportedly found by police holding an 11-inch knife.[49][50]"

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"After his fingerprints were found at the crime scene, Guede was extradited from Germany where he had fled a few days after the murder, he had said on the internet that he knew he was a suspect and wanted to clear his name.[52][53] Guede opted for a fast-track trial, held in closed session with no reporters present. "

That doesn't really sound extremely innocent to me.

All in all my impression is that the Italian police criminal and forensic investigation was extremely lame. Broken window, blood, knife and they can't tell precisely who did what and where.

One simple observation, why would Knox and Solecito call the police if they were implicated? they would have rather stayed out of the apartment no?
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You mean Rudy Guede as an innocent man? .....
most likely, meaning Patrick Lumumba.
Missing some infos on little angel actions, apparently.
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Amanda Knox's ex finds her behavior odd, as appeals case looms

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In a note on her Facebook page, Knox acknowledges Sollecito's new stance and appears to back it up. She said he's a scapegoat. "The only reason he has been dragged into this is because he happens to be my alibi," she wrote.
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The Italian Supreme Court has acquitted Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. I believe now this is the final result and both are free. No link yet, just breaking on CNN.
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Re: Knox case...

One has to feel for Meredith's parents/family.
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Old 28.03.2015, 00:10
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The Italian Supreme Court has acquitted Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. I believe now this is the final result and both are free. No link yet, just breaking on CNN.

It has gone on for long enough; hope it is now finished and justice was served
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