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i do hope that every missing child gets found

couldn't help but shake my head, however, at the greek's police enthusiasm to solve the case with the recently found little girl in the roma camp, when they have done nothing when 500 (yes, five hundred) roma children went missing from a greek institution a few years ago http://www.enetenglish.gr/?i=news.en.article&id=1477
Or why they say that the woman claimed to have given birth 6 times in a year, and that Maria was found with 13 other children, but they are only bothering to trace her parents. Of course, all the other kids were dark haired.......
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Old 21.10.2013, 09:37
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If EU authorities were really serious about child welfare, most Roma would have their kids taken from them and put into care. Having said that, the Roma "way of life" has survived both the Nazis and 40 years of communism so don't expect anything to change soon.
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If EU authorities were really serious about child welfare, most Roma would have their kids taken from them and put into care. Having said that, the Roma "way of life" has survived both the Nazis and 40 years of communism so don't expect anything to change soon.
To take their kids away from the Gypsies is not the way to go.
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Or why they say that the woman claimed to have given birth 6 times in a year, and that Maria was found with 13 other children, but they are only bothering to trace her parents. Of course, all the other kids were dark haired.......
so you have some inside information on ongoing investigations by the Greek police?
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If EU authorities were really serious about child welfare, most Roma would have their kids taken from them and put into care. Having said that, the Roma "way of life" has survived both the Nazis and 40 years of communism so don't expect anything to change soon.
Switzerland did this up to the 70's with catastrophic consequences.

http://www.errc.org/article/gypsy-hu...al-purity/1203
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Switzerland did this up to the 70's with catastrophic consequences.

http://www.errc.org/article/gypsy-hu...al-purity/1203
That article refers to Yenish, not Roma.

I do think that Roma should not receive child benefit for children which are sent out begging.
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To take their kids away from the Gypsies is not the way to go.
so what about Roma child beggars? Nothing should be done about this?
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so you have some inside information on ongoing investigations by the Greek police?
No, but nobody has mentioned the results of the genetic tests of the other children (or even if they were undertaken) which I find strange if claims to have had 6 children in one year. Of course it could be two sets of triplets..... but them why mention it in all the papers? Only data has been released on the blond girl, on the news last night it was pretty evident that (some of) the other children were still living with the parents.
Either they didn't look at the brunette kids, or there was multiple births very close together, or the other non-natural kids have already been re-united with their natural parents, or nobody cares about them. I think if the middle two had happened it would've been mentioned in the news, no?
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Old 21.10.2013, 16:25
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No, but nobody has mentioned the results of the genetic tests of the other children (or even if they were undertaken) which I find strange if claims to have had 6 children in one year. Of course it could be two sets of triplets..... but them why mention it in all the papers? Only data has been released on the blond girl, on the news last night it was pretty evident that (some of) the other children were still living with the parents.
Either they didn't look at the brunette kids, or there was multiple births very close together, or the other non-natural kids have already been re-united with their natural parents, or nobody cares about them. I think if the middle two had happened it would've been mentioned in the news, no?

The tests are back (they tested her, and the "parents"). NO blood line.

So as they say, "the plot thickens".
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Old 21.10.2013, 18:11
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No, but nobody has mentioned the results of the genetic tests of the other children (or even if they were undertaken) which I find strange if claims to have had 6 children in one year. Of course it could be two sets of triplets..... but them why mention it in all the papers? Only data has been released on the blond girl, on the news last night it was pretty evident that (some of) the other children were still living with the parents.
Either they didn't look at the brunette kids, or there was multiple births very close together, or the other non-natural kids have already been re-united with their natural parents, or nobody cares about them. I think if the middle two had happened it would've been mentioned in the news, no?
But did you read anywhere that this has not been done?

How do you know that they are not all being treated equally but the sensationalist media have picked up the story of the blonde girl and are trying to ride this on the back of the Maddy McCann story?

Same reason that the media put Maddy Mccann on their front page while ignoring the thosands of little girls who have disappeared since then. Little blonde girls sell newspapers, and that's why chief editors puit them on the front cover.
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That article refers to Yenish, not Roma.

I do think that Roma should not receive child benefit for children which are sent out begging.
Those parents who do so should be penalized somehow. They are simply depriving their children of chances to a better life....BUT, not all of them are doing so... Another problem with Roma is that those who "make it" in life soon distance themselves from their ethnical group and don't contribute to educating their own.
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Re: please HELP US TO FIND Maddy McCann

If you're going to abduct a child...

Maria: Greek Roma couple charged with abduction
21 October 2013 Last updated at 17:20



A Roma couple have been formally charged in Greece with abducting a young blonde girl, and they have been placed in detention pending a trial.

The girl, named Maria, was found during a raid on a Roma camp in central Greece last week.

DNA tests showed that she was not related to the couple, who insist they were given her legitimately.

Maria is being cared for by a charity in Athens, which has received more than 8,000 calls after an appeal.

The Roma couple appeared before judges on Monday to answer charges of abducting a minor and holding false papers.

The 39-year-old man and 40-year-old woman were identified by Greek police as Christos Salis and Eleftheria Dimopoulou.

The Roma community where the girl was found has rallied around the couple, saying they looked after her well.

The head of the Roma association in Farsala in central Greece says the pair treated her better than their biological children and that she loved them.

The brother of the man claiming to be Maria's adoptive father repeated the defence that she had been given to them lawfully after her birth, says the BBC's Mark Lowen in Athens.

Ahead of Monday's hearing, a lawyer representing the Roma couple, Kostas Katsavos, said that they were carrying out a search for the girl's mother.

He said the couple claim the woman had given Maria to them because she could not look after her daughter.

"Our clients' claim is that 'we never abducted this child, we just adopted her' in a way that was not legal, that we can confess," said Mr Katsavos.

But the couple are suspected by social workers of kidnapping the girl and sending her out to beg, or involving her in a sex ring.

Police initially raided the Roma camp to search for drugs and weapons.

They noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde-haired, blue-eyed, pale-skinned little girl and her parents, and found further discrepancies when they investigated the family's documents.

The Smile of the Child charity told the BBC that medical examinations show Maria is in fact either five or six years old and not four as was previously reported, after a birth certificate was found to be a forgery.

The couple had registered different numbers of children with different regional family registries.

An appeal has been launched throughout Europe
The Greek authorities say the couple were in possession of false papers which suggested the woman had given birth to six children within a 10-month period.

When questioned about how they came to have Maria, the couple made "constantly changing claims", Thessalia Province Police Director Vassilis Halatsis said.

Through Interpol, Greece has requested assistance from other European countries.

Police decided to appeal internationally as the girl looked as if she might be from northern or eastern Europe.

The case has also brought a response from two families in the UK with long-missing children.

Ben Needham from Sheffield disappeared aged 21 months while on a family holiday on the Greek island of Kos in 1991. His sister said the discovery of the blonde-haired girl in central Greece gave them "great hope".

A spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, whose three-year-old daughter Madeleine went missing in Portugal in 2007, said the case also gave them hope that she would one day be found alive.

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But did you read anywhere that this has not been done?

How do you know that they are not all being treated equally but the sensationalist media have picked up the story of the blonde girl and are trying to ride this on the back of the Maddy McCann story?

Same reason that the media put Maddy Mccann on their front page while ignoring the thosands of little girls who have disappeared since then. Little blonde girls sell newspapers, and that's why chief editors puit them on the front cover.
No. I'm not saying ONLY the greek police are ignoring the non-blondes. But that no effort apears to be being made for the other children that may not be theirs, on any part. There were many 'siblings' on the news last night, so, as far as I can see, only the blond has been tested, taken away and an international appeal made for their real parents
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the same police force possibly but not necessarily the same persons in charge
the case is still open. the children are still missing, i think they managed to find only 5 or something like that. the EU put some pressure to reopen the case in 2006 but it was soon "forgotten" by the greek police. the same persons in charge showing all this motivation now could have done something about these other missing children a long time ago. did any of you hear about it? 500 children gone missing from state institutions should surely have caused some sensation!

on little maria's case. the parents have "declared" to have 13 children. as of yesterday, the police had identified 5 of them and there were not sure if the other ones exist, at least all 13 of them. they probably falsely declared having more, in order to receive benefits. there was no mention that any of the identified children got dna testing
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That guy in the photo looks like he just did something
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Re: please HELP US TO FIND Maddy McCann

On the other hand, if this Greek couple abducted a little girl does not mean that all little blonde girls are abducted by gypsies.
Though it is possible, the media should be more reserved until further investigations..I don't see them going to Austria and harassing people with basements.
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On the other hand, if this Greek couple abducted a little girl does not mean that all little blonde girls are abducted by gypsies.
Though it is possible, the media should be more reserved until further investigations..I don't see them going to Austria and harassing people with basements.
Well the police are looking for 2 German speaking men, so maybe they should check out which Austrians were in the area at that time. And if any of them have a basement in their house.
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Just saw this on rte.ie

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1022/481996-dublin-child/

A blond girl has been removed by police from a Roma family in Dublin

Also on Sky News

http://news.sky.com/story/1158088/ir...aken-into-care

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Switzerland did this up to the 70's with catastrophic consequences.

http://www.errc.org/article/gypsy-hu...al-purity/1203
THIS is what I meant. That horrible Pro Juventute program Kinder der Landstrasse which meant that the kids of Gypsies were taken away and either dispatched to orphanages in other parts of the country or given to adoption parents in other parts of the country, in order to prevent the parents from ever re-finding their kids again. Pro Juventute did lots of good things, but this clearly was a crime against humanity

This crime novel
http://www.amazon.de/Sechsel%C3%A4ut.../dp/3550087500
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in a fascinating way describes the whole affair. The stubborness and arrogrance of those in charge and how they put up to masquerade the crime as a charitable project is perfect horror

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Well the police are looking for 2 German speaking men, so maybe they should check out which Austrians were in the area at that time. And if any of them have a basement in their house.
Do not forget that beside a majority in Switzerland, also the Luxemburger, Elsässer and Südtiroler speak German
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