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Coming Back to Switzerland from South Africa!

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I am female, originally Swiss, 45 years old, no family. I would be pleased to meet new people in Switzerland. I spent the last years in South Africa. Now it's time to come back.

Interests: Photography, wine and dine, outdoors.

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welcome back,no more locks and chains...
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Hi and Welcome!!

May I ask? What has made you decide to leave SA?

Im facing a real big fork in the road where I have to decide to either stay in Europe and make a life here or go back home to South Africa.
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Thank you! Yep ..... no more walls with electro fences, no armed response, no alarm system ! Amazing .....
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Hi and Welcome!!

May I ask? What has made you decide to leave SA?

Im facing a real big fork in the road where I have to decide to either stay in Europe and make a life here or go back home to South Africa.
On one hand the lack of freedom. Living behind electro fences with armed response is not comfortable over the long run. And on the other hand the perspectives for me. True, its a comfortable life in Cape Town as long you join the secured "islands" as estates, waterfront shopping or private locations behind walls. As soon you are out you can see that things are going down and you can feel the tensions in the air. Especially up in the North. What's the point of breathtaking landscapes when you can enjoy them safely or how sad is it to see the Rhino when you know that today on a daily rate 2.3 Rhino get poached. It drives you insane to see the corruption and mismanagement at work. Cry beloved country ..... I am not sure if I can deal with to stay away - but for now its good to be back in the first world.
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Re: Coming Back to Switzerland from South Africa!

Welcome back. I really understand your reasoning for coming back. I lived in many places (UK, US, Irland, Denmark, Holland, Germany) and Switzerland is the safest and most comfortable so far. I love being here. No Idea where you are from but we are near Fribourg (family and all) and if you need company and want to meet some English speakers you could come over for a barbecue on a good weather day. You want to meet some people. No problem. You can send me a SMS or IMessage (I am the dad in the family) 079 271 1210.
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Welcome home! It's nice here even when the weather's rubbish.

Btw, swissangelo: you might want to pass your phone number on by private message. All kinds of unpleasant weirdoes read these pages - and they're just the regulars!
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Welcome back. I really understand your reasoning for coming back. I lived in many places (UK, US, Irland, Denmark, Holland, Germany) and Switzerland is the safest and most comfortable so far. I love being here. No Idea where you are from but we are near Fribourg (family and all) and if you need company and want to meet some English speakers you could come over for a barbecue on a good weather day. You want to meet some people. No problem. You can send me a SMS or IMessage (I am the dad in the family) 079 271 1210.
Thank you very much ! Very appreciated. I am near by Zurich ..... but in case I am coming to Fribourg Braai in Fribourg sounds great ...
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Thank you! Yep ..... no more walls with electro fences, no armed response, no alarm system ! Amazing .....
SA is so beautiful, but I just could not live there. My nieces security firm in CT is called 'snipper security' - makes you think
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My nieces security firm in CT is called 'snipper security' - makes you think
Mohel by day, security agent by night?
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SA is so beautiful, but I just could not live there. My nieces security firm in CT is called 'snipper security' - makes you think
Well, "Snipper security" sounds good. Hopefully they are worth the money. Safest way ( and most expensive ) is to live in a gated estate. But who want to live in a golden bird cage or on a golf course ? But you are right - CT is beautiful. There are many beautiful cities on the planet, but only some have the x-factor. Cape Town is one of them.
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Re: Coming Back to Switzerland from South Africa!

Thank you for your honesty. I have to be brutally honest and say,depending on your race, South Africa appears to be very different. For example, I am an educated young black professional and there are soooo many opportunities for me back in SA because skills are needed there. I lived on a great golf course in Joburg and worked in Sandton.

It is true that Switzerland is safe etc but in terms of career prospects, the rate as which i can develop my career would be faster in Africa than in Europe. I want to buy a house in the next 3 years because i dont want to pay rent but that is not possible to do in 3 years here in Europe but can be easily done in SA.

I see that its about weighing the options. SA is my home and I feel that I contribute positively towards its development....not in SA alone, but in the Southern Africa region. I would love to start an organisation dealing with the economic empowerment of abused women in Africa because there is such a need for that.
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Thank you for your honesty. I have to be brutally honest and say,depending on your race, South Africa appears to be very different. For example, I am an educated young black professional and there are soooo many opportunities for me back in SA because skills are needed there. I lived on a great golf course in Joburg and worked in Sandton.

It is true that Switzerland is safe etc but in terms of career prospects, the rate as which i can develop my career would be faster in Africa than in Europe. I want to buy a house in the next 3 years because i dont want to pay rent but that is not possible to do in 3 years here in Europe but can be easily done in SA.

I see that its about weighing the options. SA is my home and I feel that I contribute positively towards its development....not in SA alone, but in the Southern Africa region. I would love to start an organisation dealing with the economic empowerment of abused women in Africa because there is such a need for that.
Your skills are very much needed and thanks to BEE is it for you as Black man also possible to make the most out of it. My situation as White woman looks completely different, as well as the perspectives of my friends and family members. I am not South African. I raised in todays Zimbabwe. I am very privileged to be Swiss with Swiss passport too. So, I do not complain.

I wish you most of luck and that your wishes come true. It's your land. Living in an estate and working in Sandton is not quite representative for the average South African.

Switzerland is not only safe. It's a unique way of democracy, a stable and balanced political system, high education standards and a health system which is actually working for everybody. Short: It's the first world. To own a house is not affordable in Switzerland for most Swiss. But this is not a problem at all. Swiss are traditionally renters. Most of Swiss properties are owned by the bank, and this for a life time. It's interesting for tax reasons. You pay for high quality standards and rare soil. But you don't have to live behind walls and fences and when you call the police then they will come in a reasonable time and be professionals and not a corrupt bunch of incompetent people.

Different culture, different mentality.

I hope you enjoyed the opportunity to live in Switzerland. And that you can take something with you back to South Africa what you learnt in Switzerland. I worked for NGO's ( free of charge ) who were caring about abused women. It's hard and it's frustrating. Very much so.

Good Luck !
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Your skills are very much needed and thanks to BEE is it for you as Black man also possible to make the most out of it. My situation as White woman looks completely different, as well as the perspectives of my friends and family members. I am not South African. I raised in todays Zimbabwe. I am very privileged to be Swiss with Swiss passport too. So, I do not complain.

I wish you most of luck and that your wishes come true. It's your land. Living in an estate and working in Sandton is not quite representative for the average South African.

Switzerland is not only safe. It's a unique way of democracy, a stable and balanced political system, high education standards and a health system which is actually working for everybody. Short: It's the first world. To own a house is not affordable in Switzerland for most Swiss. But this is not a problem at all. Swiss are traditionally renters. Most of Swiss properties are owned by the bank, and this for a life time. It's interesting for tax reasons. You pay for high quality standards and rare soil. But you don't have to live behind walls and fences and when you call the police then they will come in a reasonable time and be professionals and not a corrupt bunch of incompetent people.

Different culture, different mentality.

I hope you enjoyed the opportunity to live in Switzerland. And that you can take something with you back to South Africa what you learnt in Switzerland. I worked for NGO's ( free of charge ) who were caring about abused women. It's hard and it's frustrating. Very much so.

Good Luck !
I am actually half South African half German and I grew up traveling to Germany every two years. My first racist experience and subsequent experiences were in Germany at the age of 18 years when I was called a "black monkey".I spent days crying because these kids made me like a second class citizen in Germany. I am now 29 years and to date I have never experienced racism in South Africa. I am quite lucky in that regard because many black South Africans were subjected to racism.

Im not sure why you refer to South Africa as "your land" because it is for all South Africans irrespective of race.For centuries, the Dutch considered South Africa as their land until 1994. After 1994, 800 000 whites left South Africa because they did not want to share South Africa with black people or were afraid that a civil war would break out etc.

Switzerland operates on a system of cartels resulting in anti-competitive behaviour which is actually corrupt in nature.From the outside it might appear great but when one examines it closer, you will see that it is actually very corrupt. I have experienced professionalism as well as Swiss people being very slow to assist me in shops because of being a foreigner.

As for the health care system, dental care and eye care are extra's which I have to pay extra should I wish so however in South Africa they are considered as standard coverage by the insurance companies. I have not been to a dentist since leaving SA in Sept because I cannot afford it. I have a friend who actually flew to his home country in Asia to have a dental operation because it turned out to be cheaper to pay for the flight and the procedure in his home country than to pay for it here. I am in desperate need of an eye examination but I have to pay cash because my insurance does not cover it and I cannot afford to pay extra.

In respect of democracy, it is definitely interesting considering how each citizen has the power to amend the constitution. Muslims were not allowed to put up minarets on their mosques which is the core element of a mosque. This form of democracy seems great on paper but when reading about such bans makes me wonder whether it really serves as an overall welfare to the society as a whole. South Africa has one of the most sophisticated constitutions in the world however because of the many problems we have in many of the Government institutions, the general feeling is that rights are not protected.

As for renting, I totally accept that it is Swiss culture to rent and not buy property which is perfectly fine however because my aim is to own property, it obviously does not make sense to stay in Switzerland long term.

On a positive note, Switzerland is very safe, beautiful and clean. I do feel much safer living here and it has been a great experience studying here.I have learnt alot here. I do not intend to bash Switzerland. I am just at a crossroad as to where to live for the next 10-15 years taking into consideration my personal career and life objectives. If I wish to open up a consulting firm or law firm and own land, than Europe is not the place and requires returning home. The trade off for this decision would mean that i have to live on an estate behind high walls, tight security and have to deal with crime. Should I remain in Europe, it would mean that I most likely will not be able to own land in the near future and my career would move at a slower pace but I would have the sense of security, nature etc around me.

I suppose being a student is very different to working in Switzerland especially if you are a foreign student. I have never had to worry about things like going to the doctor, dentist because everything was covered under one contract even as a student back home. Perhaps things could get better if I obtained a job in Switzerland which looks bleak because I have been rejected several times here yet receive positive responses from companies back home.

You are right, different culture, different mentalities and thats why we cannot judge each other on the personal life decisions we make in the pursuit of happiness. Im glad coming to Switzerland has brought you happiness just as I hope life in Africa will bring me happiness!
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I am actually half South African half German and I grew up traveling to Germany every two years. My first racist experience and subsequent experiences were in Germany at the age of 18 years when I was called a "black monkey".I spent days crying because these kids made me like a second class citizen in Germany. I am now 29 years and to date I have never experienced racism in South Africa. I am quite lucky in that regard because many black South Africans were subjected to racism.

Im not sure why you refer to South Africa as "your land" because it is for all South Africans irrespective of race.For centuries, the Dutch considered South Africa as their land until 1994. After 1994, 800 000 whites left South Africa because they did not want to share South Africa with black people or were afraid that a civil war would break out etc.

Switzerland operates on a system of cartels resulting in anti-competitive behaviour which is actually corrupt in nature.From the outside it might appear great but when one examines it closer, you will see that it is actually very corrupt. I have experienced professionalism as well as Swiss people being very slow to assist me in shops because of being a foreigner.

As for the health care system, dental care and eye care are extra's which I have to pay extra should I wish so however in South Africa they are considered as standard coverage by the insurance companies. I have not been to a dentist since leaving SA in Sept because I cannot afford it. I have a friend who actually flew to his home country in Asia to have a dental operation because it turned out to be cheaper to pay for the flight and the procedure in his home country than to pay for it here. I am in desperate need of an eye examination but I have to pay cash because my insurance does not cover it and I cannot afford to pay extra.

In respect of democracy, it is definitely interesting considering how each citizen has the power to amend the constitution. Muslims were not allowed to put up minarets on their mosques which is the core element of a mosque. This form of democracy seems great on paper but when reading about such bans makes me wonder whether it really serves as an overall welfare to the society as a whole. South Africa has one of the most sophisticated constitutions in the world however because of the many problems we have in many of the Government institutions, the general feeling is that rights are not protected.

As for renting, I totally accept that it is Swiss culture to rent and not buy property which is perfectly fine however because my aim is to own property, it obviously does not make sense to stay in Switzerland long term.

On a positive note, Switzerland is very safe, beautiful and clean. I do feel much safer living here and it has been a great experience studying here.I have learnt alot here. I do not intend to bash Switzerland. I am just at a crossroad as to where to live for the next 10-15 years taking into consideration my personal career and life objectives. If I wish to open up a consulting firm or law firm and own land, than Europe is not the place and requires returning home. The trade off for this decision would mean that i have to live on an estate behind high walls, tight security and have to deal with crime. Should I remain in Europe, it would mean that I most likely will not be able to own land in the near future and my career would move at a slower pace but I would have the sense of security, nature etc around me.

I suppose being a student is very different to working in Switzerland especially if you are a foreign student. I have never had to worry about things like going to the doctor, dentist because everything was covered under one contract even as a student back home. Perhaps things could get better if I obtained a job in Switzerland which looks bleak because I have been rejected several times here yet receive positive responses from companies back home.

You are right, different culture, different mentalities and thats why we cannot judge each other on the personal life decisions we make in the pursuit of happiness. Im glad coming to Switzerland has brought you happiness just as I hope life in Africa will bring me happiness!
Good Luck and safe travels! ( Your land because you are citizen of South African and guest in Switzerland )
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Well I am also a citizen of Germany since birth but have always been treated as a guest. I guess I will always be considered a guest in Europe...Thank you very much...
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