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Thank you very much, Greenmount!

Princessduck, sure! I would like to be your friend! Nice to hear that i'm fitting well, i was afraid a little that i may look barbaric

IzabelaInZug, my first hobby was chess, i was six or seven, when i played them. Then was art, mostly modeling from clay and painting, about 2 years. Next thing was video games, that was massive one, still love my frist games - Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Quake 1-2 and Heroes 3. Lovely time. Now, when i'm game developer i ironicaly dislike almost all games, not because they bad, only because they bring something new very rare now. And about my work, sadly, it's more about making money, then games. Free-2-Play... When i first heard of free games i was amazed, but as the time passed by, i checked some of them and realised that they are not so free and funny as you can expect. Sorry, back to theme. I started to read "big books" at age 8, first serious book was Lord of Rings trilogy, after watching first movie i just wanted to know, what will happen next) Also noticed Joanne Rowling for same reasons, had a lot of fun. I red classic literature in school, but real interest awakened only after it. Then was sport, but it wasnt about getting medals, it was only about getting some muscle mass. Too bad, that i finded out data about somatotypes only few years later - i was expecting to get decent muscles, but only got "some" insted of almost invisible ones. I'm thin guy, yup. After sport was my last interest and only stable one - money. I made some friends in small business groups and even was involved in organisation of forum between business, banks and government officials (last ones didn't showed up). My role was small, but due to the fact that all my coevals was doing nothing except for school, it was remarkable - you don't see often 16 y.o. boys not only interested in business, but also making some steps to know it better. Eventually, there was nothing optimistic in 2009 and neither it is nowdays. It's hard to start something, due to the recent laws, that created a strong limitations for small business, but the main problem is all sorts of inspections, through which you must pass by very often to prove that "everything os OK". I myself considered vending machine options, due to the fact that i'm full-time eployed and this sort of business if "safe", compared to others - no workers, no inspections, all good. Now, when dollar and euro price growing up rapidly (due to the fact that russian currency is losing price) i'm not sure do i need to even think about it? And that was short story about some of my interests. Sorry about my "short story" was that long.
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I myself considered vending machine options, due to the fact that i'm full-time employed and this sort of business if "safe", compared to others - no workers, no inspections, all good. Now, when dollar and euro price growing up rapidly (due to the fact that russian currency is losing price) i'm not sure do i need to even think about it? And that was short story about some of my interests. Sorry about my "short story" was that long.
So bypass the rules. As the sanctions "bite" in Russia there will always be people that need to "acquire" items from the West, I've seen people in the Ukraine make a lot of money playing this game.
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Sounds optimistic, Cata1yst but i don't have supply lines to ship goods, i don't even know what people may want from west now, and main thing - i don't have time to do all that. I only have 6 or so free hours day, because i work 10 hours (8 hours of actual work, 1 hour break, 1 hour home and back), then i have to study (2 hours), then i have to go to the shower (30 mins), then eat something (another 30 mins), and sleep at least 4 hours. Oh wow. I actualy got 7 free hours! Sometimes i use them for extra rest, sometimes to watch movie, read book or play some game (that's my duty as game designer to know what's in now). So... No time for buy-sell trips. That's why vending machines. Load them with goods and change 3 times per week and don't worry about them. Perfect, to make some starting capital. It's just not clear, will i be able to make it with new taxes. I guess, i find it out in 2016. Yup. Long wait. That's because you cannot start with a signle machine - you need at least 2-4 of them, or their profits will not compensate taxes. Some of the taxes are calculated from calendar year and have constant size, like 1000 dollars/year with average sallary in country below this level. So, 1st of january is ideal time. I think i'll pay some student to help me with them - if something is broken i cannot leave, but he'll be able to. For some reward. And that's my plan.
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Re: Greetings from Russia, looking 4 friends

Hello Endspiel, on what technical speciality are you focusing on?

I have several Russian friends here in Switzerland and been to Russia myself. Some Russians come here and blend in immediately, because a society like here is what they have been looking for, others see everything that is different from what they are used to as negative.

A classic is a person who has been living in Moscow or St-Pete for a long time and then moving to a Swiss village and complaining that "everything is so quiet here in Switzerland", even though villages in Russia are in fact even much more quiet and they probably just moved to the wrong kind of area within the country considering their personal habits and needs.

So, that's a general rule - in your home country you have your people with similar values and interests naturally around you, in a new country you have to find them first.

And what someone moving to another country is mostly not aware of that with the movement in their lives often change a lot of things (be it for better or worse) like family situation, work situation, living situation which are often much more important changes than just crossing the border and living in a different culture. And moving from Moscow to Magadan is probably often a bigger change, than moving from Moscow to Zurich.

Swiss are mostly very friendly when it comes to providing a simple information or help. The next step to become friends takes mostly more time. In the long-term, Swiss and Russians are similarly sincere about real friendship, it seems to me.

Direct Democracy really has a big influence on the culture of people. Many foreigners coming to Switzerland wonder how can it be the streets are so clean, even though they very rarely see someone cleaning it. The point is: it's not about the cleaning, but about much less dirt and littering produced by people in the first place. Because they can decide on all public matters, they feel automatically more responsible for the country and public space. It's not "the governments' business", but rather "our business".

Russians on the other side, developped over the decades and centuries a huge joking culture. If you don't have a say in politics, you start to make a lot of cynical jokes about it. This is rather unfamiliar for the Swiss why some people see them as "unfunny". In fact, they are not unfunny, but a certain type of jokes is just so far from their own reality and experiences that they don't understand what should be funny about the situation exposed in the joke.
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Tom, that's not him only. That's almost whole nation. It was like this forever -...
Endspiel I can share your feeling. Since I am from Finland I have read alot of what is going on in Rus and yes its not only Putin its been this forever, but it looks that after Putin take a lead there these acts have been more agressive, public and often.
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Thanks for information, Maantee!

I really like the whole idea of personal responsibility, it's exactly what we missing here in Russia. People usualy expecting someone to take care of them and their problems, while still behaving unproperly (by my standards).

According to the fact, that I will look for IT sort of jobs, I probably will be somewhere near big cities. As the time passes by, I think i will find even more nice people to hang out with.

Direct democracy is my dream. I just literally hate, when someone decides my life for me without even asking. I'm pretty sure, that people are worthy of deciding their fate, even if they do mistakes - we all learn by mistakes, it's natural, let it be. Furthermore, the exact same people are deciding our future at parlaments and I am pretty sure, that they can do even more terrible mistakes, and also - they can sell their votes much more easily, than whole nation. Currently, i see no better alternative for politic system.

Muah, I totaly agree with you. Our president have significant power, which shouldn't be holded in one hands. The big idea of all this anti-western propaganda is simple - make people afraid of changes. If someone tells that government is bad - he sometimes considered as "Fith Column" member or US spy. I myself heard questions like "Will you sell you homeland to US, if you like your freedom so much?" That's so lame. So lame. First of all, I don't even like US very much. Yes, they got lots of cool stuff, but I generaly don't like any big countries who cannot live a decade without some wars or conflicts. I want to see peace on Earth. Not the ashes and cinders. Back to the theme... Putin is directing public opinion to "we-aganist-all-world" state, where noone will try to decline his authority, and if there will be the ones who will decline it - they will be =Put_In= the jail within minutes.

Meanwhile, thanks to you all and Happy New Year! Realy great to have some friendly word on New Year Eve!
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Hi!

I'm interested in Switzerland and want to know more about its culture, as a part of this task, I'm looking for people who are willing to communicate. Now, little bit about myself. My bithplace is south of Syberia, I've traveled a lot, lived in different cities including our capital, even lived in other countries. Through all my life i had a lot of interests and activities, however, in current stage almost all of them are gone. Nowdays I'm looking for way out of Russia - it's just not looking good, the thing it's turning into.

I'm working since i was 15, sometimes work lead me to really interesting places, like polar stations, giant factories, business expos. I decided to get higher education on technical speciality, get some work experience and then move away. Currently I'm 22, so I have some time.

With best regards and hope to recieve some messages, Endspiel.

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I'm interested in Switzerland
Russia should go on like this - conquering, isloating, hunting its own citizens... I don't even know, are they brainwashed or really that bad at thinking direction. Perhaps, it's the legacy, which lives throught the generations - the legal slavery was canceled here only at 1861 and 50 years later communism showed up... Here some more data on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanci...reform_of_1861 And that's how we live in Russia.

There, a century ago, was Mr Ulyanov. He came to Zürich, settled and regularily visited places like the Café Odeon and the Restaurant Cooperativo (Stauffacher) and the Volkshaus, and spoke with lots of People and then knew a lot about the place here


And what is the surprise ? That the Russian Empire under the rule of Vladimir I, I mean Vladimir Putin is as Imperialist as the British Empire until 1956 ? or as Austria-Hungary and Germany used to be ? 1861 was more than a year before Abraham Lincoln outlawed slavery in the USA, which means that Alexander II was ahead of the USA then. Lots of Germans emigrated to Switzerland after 1848, when seeing that no real progress was possible in any of the German fiefdoms. Some of them built buildings like Zürich University and Zürich ETH, some of them overhere moved science and industry Forward. And more came after 1871, when they realized the the newly appointed Deutscher Kaiser, König von Preussen had no progressive ideas in mind. Also arriving here were poets from Ireland, which still suffered from English Domination. After 1952, lots of Egyptians, frustrated by the increasingly quasi communist rule of the Nasser Regime, emigrated to Western Europe, and in the 1960ies, lots of Algerians frustrated by dictatorship (Ahmed Ben Bella) and lack of Progress emigrated to Western Europe as well


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First of all I'm interested in general behavior traditions, like what is acceptable and what is not (obviously ethics are pretty same in the whole world, but if you have something more than "no offensive actions", can you please tell me what it is?). Second is your usual usage of free time - it helps a lot to understand other culture, when you can try to just repeat after it's people, as the time passes by, you surely will get a lot of common things to talk about. Third is main literature books, which people of your country usualy read, especialy national ones. It's very important. I think that should be enough for begining. Can you help me with that?


There is no general-behaviour-tradition.
If you speak as loudly as is usual in Italy overhere in Lugano, nobody will care. If you do so in Zürich or Basel, people will ask who is that loud person overthere ? ) and if you do so in Schaffhausen you may be regarded as that impossible person overthere
If you behave in a modern way in Zürich and Basel and Geneva etc it is no problem but if you do so in more conservative places you will be in real Problems


Just to repeat ? You have to find out whether the person in question is mainstream locally or not, The person you listen to in Zürich may be from Herrliberg or Meilen and outside the mainstream




Main literature books ? In German speaking Switzerland, there is a variety of writers of the past two centuries like Gottfried Keller and Conrad Ferdinand Meyer, but classic literature also includes Theodor Fontane, Freiherr Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Friedrich Schiller, and in modern literature, authors from Germany are important. In the Romandie (20%) it is different as France plays an important role - but do not forget that people like Rousseau were Swiss. A similar thing in the Ticino and Italian speaking areas of Graubünden (totally some 7 percent) "especially national ones" ? is beside the point as people do not read especially national ones. Germans and French and Italian readers read books of Swiss authors as they do their "national" ones and German, French and Italian authors are read in Switzerland quite normally.

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Hello, Wollishofener!

First of all I'm interested in general behavior traditions, like what is acceptable and what is not (obviously ethics are pretty same in the whole world, but if you have something more than "no offensive actions", can you please tell me what it is?). Second is your usual usage of free time - it helps a lot to understand other culture, when you can try to just repeat after it's people, as the time passes by, you surely will get a lot of common things to talk about. Third is main literature books, which people of your country usualy read, especialy national ones. It's very important. I think that should be enough for begining. Can you help me with that?

Thanks! Looks pretty complex) I'll try to read some of literature that you recomended. Have a nice holidays, Wollishofener!

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Ha, same story. I'm not happy with Russian changes too and don't like USA for wars and NSA.
But I've actually moved to Zürich one week ago. Still don't know if Switzelrand is a good choice for me. People say it's hard to find friends/gf here.
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Hello, Kerosin! Hope one day, we'll be able to shake each other's hands. I don't like NSA ever - what kind of protection is reading all the private stuff? It looks like cyber-terrorism more, than protection. Think about it - someone holds all the private stuff you have, all your favorite (and unfavorite) things, all the messages you sent, all the pages you visited. It's not about security, it's about people's lives - i sure will feel more secure if i have a bodyguard at my bedroom, but do i really want security at this cost? Furthermore, if i have friends in NSA or our beloved (irony) KGB, i can access all the data i want, so i can shut down all the competitors by publishing all the dirt i can possibly found on them. Isn't that possible, while even goolge emploeeys stalking on little girls (link: http://www.businessinsider.com/googl...n-chats-2010-9 )? Even in google itself your emails are being read, by the reports of it's workers, who've been fired for "differencies in beliefs". Do we even need this sort of "protection"? Do we? I think back in the days, life was way more confident, with usual non-digital-talks, lack of cameras all around and simple rules. Nowdays it's violation all over. And the future does not seem bright. Anyway, i wish you good luck with your relocation and happy holidays (not sure if you still celebrating in Switzerland)!
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You are pretty young Endspiel (brave nickname for 22y.o though) and your knowledge of the world history is pretty limited not saying that you can’t describe the whole nation’s history using such words like “it was always like that” taking into account your age( a lack of personal and professional/ social/international experience) It sounds slightly strange that the majority of your nation is under “propaganda” and you (young and different) are not. I have seen a lot of countries and Russians are one of the most sincere, generous, wonderful, educated nation with a great history, by the way. Of course, they have the dark pages in their history but any country does them as well. Switzerland? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29765623 Democracy means a law of majority not an ideal world. It isn’t difficult to find the results of votes for understanding whether such kind of democracy works for you or not. Swiss Federal Constitution protects your private information with a certain remark on Swiss Federal Statistical Office: you are obliged to give them an information on , let’s say, the language you think in (and your partner only because you share the same dwelling) etc etc And my personal advice to you: start learning the local dialect dreaming of Switzerland otherwise you are in trouble J Better read different threads of EF it’ll give you a certain understanding based on different opinions and experiences or https://www.justlanded.com/francais/Suisse/Forums/Cultura/Switzerland-sucks/(offset)/100
Maybe you’ll find your Swiss Arcadia maybe not. Think, analyse, notice trends in descriptions, compare, avoid eastern/western propaganda and move ahead. Good luck.
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Thanks, Merrysilverbell. I agree that i don't have a lot of experience, however i cannot agree that my nation is not under propaganda. They mostly don't believe in government statements, but they do believe that politics should be left to the politicians (and that is exact target of our officials). And as such, corruption is only growing, wild laws are being pushed, pressure grows and they think that they should do nothing about it, "it's none of our business" they say. I do agree that i'm influenced by ideas of free choice heavily, it's what's being human is all about, i think. Whenever someone tells me how to live, with expecation of blind obedience, i don't feel comfortable with it. Especialy when it is stated by law directly. While others silently obey, i choose to at least discuss with hope to take some preventive actions. This, i think, is what being citizen is all about. Others are silently living thru this, ass it was in USSR probably. They do care, but they take no action, because they got some much to live for - movies, games, families, kids, parrents... Hopeless. They agree, that current government is no good, but they also believe that Russia will be destroyed if this government will fall. And they don't believe that any sort of demonstrations will proove worthy of trying. We surely don't need revolutions. What we need is changes. But the only changes we have are leading us to the state of North Korea. I don't like that. So, i will move away approximately in begining of 2020-s. I don't like this idea, i know what i most likely will always be "that russian guy" to the most of people, and there will be much less common between me and my new neighbours. But it's a choice i have to make. In my dreams, i have a small house at Peru mountains, and don't have a single care in the world. But i have to work, so i need more competetive county, and aslo more friendly to it's citizens. So i'm considering Switzerland. Thank you for your advice.
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