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Intro and a question

Hello everyone,

I am currently in Istanbul and moving to Switzerland in October as an expat. I am very excited for my new role as well as living in CH.

Here is my question: Office is located in Solothurn and don't want to live there. I consider 2 options: Bern or Zurich. My job requires travelling across EMEA region.

Bern is 30min train ride to office but 1h15min to airport.
Zurich is 1h train ride to office but 15min to airport.

Rentals in Zurich seems expensive than in Bern. But Zurich looks more attractive to a person from Istanbul.

What would you do and why? I am confused and would like to hear different opinions from experienced expats in CH.

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Old 25.07.2015, 22:51
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Re: Intro and a question

What value you put on your time ?

Commuting is wasted time, sure you save plenty of $$ if you live in Bern rather than Zurich, but what will you do with all those saved $$, if you are always commuting ?

Live has other aspects than only a cost in $$
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What value you put on your time ?

Commuting is wasted time, sure you save plenty of $$ if you live in Bern rather than Zurich, but what will you do with all those saved $$, if you are always commuting ?

Live has other aspects than only a cost in $$
I don't get your logic there. Commuting from Bern to Solothurn is shorter than commuting from Zurich to Soluthurn so surely he'd have more time to spend his money ( which he'd have more of) living in Bern?

If there is really lots of international travel and not so many days in the office then it makes sense to be nearer the airport which also has the advantage of being the more lively place for his free time.

He'd save most money and have more time to spend it by living in Solothurn but he says he doesn't want to do that.
He could always try Olten.

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Re: Intro and a question

Try staying in either city for a few days before making the decision? Vibe of the city matters so much!
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Old 26.07.2015, 11:18
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Re: Intro and a question

I commute from Bern to Zurich airport almost every day - and it is really not that bad - the first train leaves Bern at 4.21 and the last one from Zurich HB is 2 minutes past midnight. Finally it really depends on what you want from life - I live in Bern because I like the city and unless my job demands it, I won't move to Zurich. However, if you want to party and socialising is more important to you than what you spend on your rent, then Zurich is probably a better option.
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What value you put on your time ?

Commuting is wasted time, sure you save plenty of $$ if you live in Bern rather than Zurich, but what will you do with all those saved $$, if you are always commuting ?

Live has other aspects than only a cost in $$
That's right but I will be wasting time going to office from Zurich..

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I don't get your logic there. Commuting from Bern to Solothurn is shorter than commuting from Zurich to Soluthurn so surely he'd have more time to spend his money ( which he'd have more of) living in Bern?

If there is really lots of international travel and not so many days in the office then it makes sense to be nearer the airport which also has the advantage of being the more lively place for his free time.

He'd save most money and have more time to spend it by living in Solothurn but he says he doesn't want to do that.
He could always try Olten.
Olten, thanks but no thanks..

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Try staying in either city for a few days before making the decision? Vibe of the city matters so much!
I guess this what I will do before renting the permanent flat. Thanks

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I commute from Bern to Zurich airport almost every day - and it is really not that bad - the first train leaves Bern at 4.21 and the last one from Zurich HB is 2 minutes past midnight. Finally it really depends on what you want from life - I live in Bern because I like the city and unless my job demands it, I won't move to Zurich. However, if you want to party and socialising is more important to you than what you spend on your rent, then Zurich is probably a better option.
I am not social butterfly type of person but need to socialize as I will be living alone.

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Old 26.07.2015, 18:36
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Re: Intro and a question

I think either city will be a culture shock. Istanbul has what, 14 million people and Switzerland as a whole has about 8 million?

Zurich = 375,000 give or take
Bern = 125,000 give or take

I love Bern and its charm, but if I had to travel a lot I'd consider living closer to the airport. Do you have to fly out of ZRH or is Basel also an option? If Basel is an option for your flights, maybe live there. We have a lot of EF members who love it.

Basel = 165,000 give or take
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I think either city will be a culture shock. Istanbul has what, 14 million people and Switzerland as a whole has about 8 million?

Zurich = 375,000 give or take
Bern = 125,000 give or take

I love Bern and its charm, but if I had to travel a lot I'd consider living closer to the airport. Do you have to fly out of ZRH or is Basel also an option? If Basel is an option for your flights, maybe live there. We have a lot of EF members who love it.

Basel = 165,000 give or take
LOL my assumption based on city's expansion to east-west and north, it is about 20 million LOL
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Re: Intro and a question

Folks the OP is a non-EU national and as such pretty much restricted to living as well as working in Solothurn canton.
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What would you do and why? I am confused and would like to hear different opinions from experienced expats in CH.
I would choose to live in Solothurn. It's a nice town with nice surroundings. Commuting to work is the worst way to waste time. Needless to say, you will spend much more money not only on daily commute, but on accommodation as well if you choose to live in Zurich or even Bern.
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Folks the OP is a non-EU national and as such pretty much restricted to living as well as working in Solothurn canton.
In that case he could live near Basel. Look at Dornach. Village living, but Basel nightlife - FWIW(!).

Gives you access to both Basel and Zurich Airport.
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Folks the OP is a non-EU national and as such pretty much restricted to living as well as working in Solothurn canton.
The answers on this thread seem to indicate it's okay for non-EUs to live and work in different cantons as long as they get permission, and are on a B permit:

Changing canton, Non-EU B-permit. Confused!
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Re: Intro and a question

As things stand, this amounts to a guessing game as to what may be relevant/important. OP needs to provide more info.
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Re: Intro and a question

Seddozz, we cannot give you a definite answer yet as we do not know if you carry an EU passport.

Why don't you like Solothurn? I know the city, and I would not refuse to live there. Olten would be a good central location, but you have refused that too.
Maybe you want to just party with the insecure Zurich people?

Or perhaps you have already received some incorrect & critical advice? Both Olten & Solothurn have hourly direct train connections to both Geneva and Zurich airports, and the rentals are MUCH lower than Zurich, about the same as Bern.
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The answers on this thread seem to indicate it's okay for non-EUs to live and work in different cantons as long as they get permission, and are on a B permit:

Changing canton, Non-EU B-permit. Confused!
The rules differ depending on what type of permit someone has:

Art. 37 Change of the place of residence to another canton

1 Persons with a short stay permit or a residence permit who would like to relocate their place of residence to another canton must apply for the appropriate permit from the new canton beforehand.

2 Persons with a residence permit are entitled to move to another canton provided they are not unemployed and there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 62.

3 Persons with a permanent residence permit are entitled to move to another canton, provided there are no grounds for revocation in terms of Article 63.

4 No permit is required for a temporary stay in another canton.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

So the OP in your link 3Wishes isn't moving, but staying put and has a B permit so seems to fall into both 1 and 2, i.e. he needs permission to stay where he is but can do so as he isn't unemployed and there are no grounds for revocation under the terms of Article 62.

Our OP here comes under number 1, will likely get an L permit and as he hasn't even arrived yet is unlikely to get permission to move to another canton straightaway. How long he'd have to stay in canton Solothurn before being able to request permission to move elsewhere he'd have to check with Solothurn's migration office.
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Re: Intro and a question

What's wrong with Solothurn? Looks good to me.
http://www.solothurn-city.ch/en/
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Re: Intro and a question

Dear all,

Thank you very much for your answers.

First of all, I am non-EU citizen, my employer will apply for working permit and I assume that they will apply in Solothurn canton since the office is in Solothurn.

I have been to Solothurn couple of times, mainly 2-3 days business visit and the city is OK. I am not a party person but if you come from giant city, it is just OK. And I want to live in a city more than OK if possible. If my working permit doesn't let me to reside in different canton then there is nothing I can do.

I wrote to my employer to check the situation and hope to get an answer soon.

In the end, wherever I live in Switzerland, I am really excited for this job.
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