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Moving to Switzerland

Hello !!

I'm currently living in Venezuela (Latin America).

Me and my brother would like to move to Switzerland.
I am 26 years old and he is 28 years old.
We both have Swiss Passport and I.D., we have never been to switzerland tho.
We both have university degree in Human resources and we both speak
spanish and english fluently.

We're thinking to go switzerland and wanting to find a job
Waiter - dishwasher - trash collector - cleaning - working at mcdoland, or simply just something that does not require high skills because we dont speak german nor french , italian etc..

We plan to join a german course when we get there to master the language and May be then be able to find a high skilled and better paid job.

We have read that renting an small apartment is kinda expensive so we plan to pay the bills between the two of us.

So the point is, can we make it this way? i mean can we find a job like those i wrote while we learn german? is it hard to find a job? Would they hire a Swiss citizen that does not speak german?

I dont know how much we could earn with those kind of jobs , but between both sallaries could we pay the bills and all that stuff?

Any advice / tip / recommendation from you is very much appreciated guys

We'd really appreciate any help that you could provide to us
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Re: Moving to Switzerland

Hi battigm,
Your questions here seem to be similar to your other thread:
from venezuela want to go switzerland

And here is another thread (with links to yet more threads) with tips for others in similar situations.
Looking for anyjob please like cleaning or anything.!!!!

Here - in Italian, maybe you can more or less understand that through your Spanish, or Google translate will help - is a site with standard suggested budgets. For you and your brother, you could look at the budgets for a couple, to get a basic idea. If you are prepared to live without any luxuries, and buy everything except your food second-hand, and to walk and travel by bicylce, it is possible (though not easy) to live on less.
Therefore, yes, if you both managed to work in unskilled jobs, and you lived together, then yes, you could cope financially.

We have no legal minimum wage, and the range can be quite wide. A cleaner, for example, can earn as little as Fr. 16 or Fr. 18 per hour if he or she works for a cleaning company or through an agency, but up to Fr. 30 or Fr. 35 if working for a private person who knows and trusts them and who appreciates the quality and speed of their work. An "assistant" (a new type of job, funded by the state disability office) is a person who provides household care, runs errands, cooks and perhaps provides basic nursing care for people with disabilities, who live in their own homes. The range there is around Fr. 20 to Fr. 28 per hour.

Besides living in a flat of your own, you could also consider renting a room in a shared flat, with other young folk. That is very usual here, especially but not only for university students, and can be a much cheaper way to live. See, for example, http://www.wgzimmer.ch/.
In any event, I'd recommend that you join www.couchsurfing.com (free) and make proper, full profiles (to see how to do that so that people find you interesting and want to meet you, read lots and lots of other profiles). Couchsurfing is an easy way to make good connections as soon as you arrive, and not have to stay in the youth hostel until you find a room or a flat.


Apart from accommodation, the other big cost is compulsory medical insurance.

You might also benefit from the experience of Etefan02, who has dared to do the same sort of move as you are considering, and is already in Switzerland:
Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]

If you are not in a hurry to leave home, then I'd recommend that you do as much as you can before you leave to acquire skills which will save you money when here. If you can't already do these things, then learn
a) how to cook good, nutritious food. Eating out, even in snack-bars and canteens, is disproportionately expensive to buying groceries and cooking at home. Meat is expensive, so it's good to know how to get sufficent protein from other sources. Here, you can drink tap water for free. 500 ml of Coca Cola can cost approximately (in very rounded numbers) Fr. 1 or Fr. 2 in a supermarket, about Fr. 3 or Fr. 4 at a take-away stall, and Fr. 5 to Fr. 8 in a Restaurant.
b) how to take care of your clothing, washing, ironing and mending
c) general handyman skills to repair furniture or other household items
d) how to ride a bicylce
e) how to repair bicycles
f) get fit so you can walk a lot; it's a great way to discover places and settle in.
And more important than all of these, start learning German before you arrive here, from online sources if not from real people who already speak it where you live.

If your mother or father, through whom you have your Swiss citizenship, or your Swiss grandparents, have any relations or friends in Switzerland, try to write to these people to establish contact. A lot in Switzerland happens through knowing someone who knows someone...

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Re: Moving to Switzerland

let me thank you for this important information i will check these links you're providing ASAP to learn more about it..

indeed no luxury life at all . we're planing or working very hard at first , 2 shifts is possible the first months

we do not drink nor smoke cigarretes, we would prepare our own food (we know how to cook), we would try not to spend money at all not even TV. what we want instead is a good internet connection we dont mind paying for a really good internet connection. but everything else we would try not to spend money at all

Additional to this. i have read CHF is the legal currency in Switzerland..

How many CHF would my brother and i need per month? i mean knowing that we would do all these things i mentioned about not spending too much money for luxury
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Re: Moving to Switzerland

The ETH Zurich university estimates that a student needs approx. CHF 2'000 per month to live and pay tuition and other university expenses. Subtract the tuition and other university expenses for an estimated minimum amount needed to live as a non-student:

https://www.ethz.ch/content/dam/ethz...-of-living.pdf

Also note that health insurance is obligatory and expensive. It may be your third largest expense after housing and food (and possibly more than income taxes). Comparis.ch provides detail information on insurance costs.

You have an advantage in that you have Swiss citizenship. However, bear in mind that you will be competing against EU citizens for the same jobs, many who will be able to speak one of the three Swiss official languages.

Also, you could consider reading this thread which has similarities to your situation:
Guidance needed- [Swiss citizen abroad considering moving to CH]
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Re: Moving to Switzerland

Two things;

Languages courses in Switzerland aren't cheap. You would probably spend most of any earnings you get on your course.

You are Swiss citizens, but is there any reason you specifically want to live and work in Switzerland? You have freedom of movement in the EU, so if you want to work in Europe, you would probably have more luck finding decent jobs in the UK or Spain where you speak the language. Then you could learn German/French/Italian there and move to Switzerland in the future.
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Languages courses in Switzerland aren't cheap. You would probably spend most of any earnings you get on your course.
Definitely start learning German before arriving. There are free courses on Youtube, e.g.: Deutsch für Anfänger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcE...30EE78B779F2F2

McDonald's Germany recently purchased 20,000 licenses for German courses for refugees from this company:

http://www.linguatv.com/index.php?mode=ajax

It appears to cost about Eur 20 per month for a three-month subscription.
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Two things;

Languages courses in Switzerland aren't cheap. You would probably spend most of any earnings you get on your course.

You are Swiss citizens, but is there any reason you specifically want to live and work in Switzerland? You have freedom of movement in the EU, so if you want to work in Europe, you would probably have more luck finding decent jobs in the UK or Spain where you speak the language. Then you could learn German/French/Italian there and move to Switzerland in the future.
Fair advice, but one needs to take into account that the unemployment rate in CH is much lower than in Spain (or even in the UK). On top of that, there is no better way to learn a language than being immersed in the place where it is spoken.

Since they are Swiss citizens, looks like they have a fair shot on CH, despite the difficulties. The most tough part will be to sustain themselves while looking for a job.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland

i see that things would be so much easier if we start learning german right away

im checking on every link to learn german online i find in this forum, i guess i need to start from this at least because it is also very expensive may be unreachable to start a paid german course in my country.
i would need like 3 minimum sallaries in my country only for this course and it is impossible

About unemployment rates yes its very different Switzerland's unmp. than Spain's for example thats why we think of Switzerland as first country to land.

Is it legal to have 2 jobs at the same time there?

We will start learning german online right away, we're planing to go there in March 2016 aprox. so may be by that time we can understand german and write it

How many days a week people work there? and how many hours per day?

If you go to a supermarket, do you find all food there? are there any crowded lines for people to be able to buy the food?
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Re: Moving to Switzerland

To obtain an overview of living and working in Switzerland, you might want to review the first four brochures at the EURES website, particularly "Working":

http://www.eures.ch/en/downloads/brochures/live_ch/

These EURES brochures discuss working in several sectors of the Swiss economy and might be informative:

http://www.eures.ch/en/downloads/bro...rbeiten_in_ch/

Generally, the country is well-organized, the transit system runs on time and there are no issues with obtaining most local and world products. Food is readily available but is more expensive than neighboring European countries.

Unless your employer contractually prohibits it, I know of no law forbidding someone from working two jobs.
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Also, have you read your way through www.ch.ch?
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Is it legal to have 2 jobs at the same time there?
You cannot work a second full-time job. Nor can you take a second job during your (paid) vacation time from your first job.

But yes, you can have two part-time jobs simultaneously, as long as together they don't add up to more than the legal maximum number of working hours per week. This varies a little by industry but in most sectors it is 45 hours per week.
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If you go to a supermarket, do you find all food there? are there any crowded lines for people to be able to buy the food?
Supermarkets are often crowded, but it is not because the food will run out. It is just because many people need to do their shopping at the same time of day, on the way home from work. If you go to the same supermarket at a different time of day, all the same food will be there and yet there will be almost no customers.
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Guys, where could i find information about au pair in Switzerland?

Could i apply to an au pair family considering that i already have the swiss nationality?

I have been studying italian very intensively, and if in case i could apply to au pair, do you know any au pair agencies for Switzerland? i'd preffer in the italian area like Lugano.
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You could try these two.

http://www.perfectway.ch/en/for-fami...formation.html

http://www.profilia.ch/

Note that it would be a live in position as that's what au pairs do so I don't how well that would fit in with your brother's plans. Being Swiss you bypass the age limit for 3rd country nationals.

This organisation may be able to help you generally too.

http://aso.ch/en/consultation/back-to-switzerland

However, be warned.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/coming-h...attle/41091306
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Au-pair, nanny and similar jobs are posted at this website (and probably other ones too). Most of the jobs appear to be in the German-speaking area:

http://stellenmarkt.liliput.ch/stellenangebote/au-pair

Within lilliput.ch search on "spanisch" and "italienisch" for jobs where these languages are needed/ useful.
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Re: Moving to Switzerland

guys thanks a lot for this information, my brother and i would apply for au pair at least for first 6 months - 1 year, till we get to know the place plus the language better (italian),then we'll both try to find a job.
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