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IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

Ok this is a question for the native English speakers...When I moved to the Netherlands I noticed that a lot of Dutch people said "Idear" instead of "idea" (with no R at the end). Now I find the same thing even in some British folk...is evertyhing I learnt about English wrong?
Another thing is "what" and "when", some people pronounce the H in the middle (like the "ch" sound in German)...is it normal? It sounds terrible

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Old 23.08.2011, 13:00
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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

How long will it take for this thread to become an American English bashing party .

Since the purest English is spoken in the American Southwest.

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Old 23.08.2011, 13:03
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It sounds terrible
Q-wh-ite.

Stick to your h-education.
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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

The examples you mention are overpronunciation. Terribly non-u...
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Ok this is a question for the native English speakers...When I moved to the Netherlands I noticed that a lot of Dutch people said "Idear" instead of "idea" (with no R at the end). Now I find the same thing even in some British folk...has evertyhing I learnt in English wrong?
Another thing is what when, some people pronounce the H in the middle (lile the "ch" sound in German)...is it normal? It sounds terrible
What I hate is when people pronounce 'h' as 'haitch' instead of aitch.
Or is that what you're trying to say? I'm a bit slow on the uptake
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What I hate is when people pronounce 'h' as 'haitch' instead of aitch.
Or is that what you're trying to say? I'm a bit slow on the uptake
After reading this post I have no idea of what I was trying to say
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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

I have heard "idear" more from Americans than anybody else.

For that matter, I have heard more mispronunciations and linguistic abominations from Americans, speaking any language, than from anyone else...but what do I know...
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After reading this post I have no idea of what I was trying to say
It's the heat.
A glass of cold white wine might do the trick.
The sun is over the yard-arm after all.
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It's the heat.
A glass of cold white wine might do the trick.
The sun is over the yard-arm after all.
I am a tee-totaller ... LOL I just had to laugh at my own joke sorry
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Another thing is "what" and "when", some people pronounce the H in the middle (like the "ch" sound in German)...is it normal? It sounds terrible
You mean like this?

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Old 23.08.2011, 13:28
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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

yes cmyers exactly! But with When and What and no Cool WHip
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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

Well, those from the westcountry would tend to say "idearrrr" (or, more accurately, oideaarrrr). Bristolians would say "ideal"
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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

If 'idea' is followed by a vowel, then most speakers of English -wherever they're from - will insert an 'r' to make it easier to say.

Say out loud: "I have no idea about such matters". Can you hear the 'r'?

Nothing wrong with that.

Regarding the aspirated 'w' in 'white' and 'what': this is the more conservative pronunciation, preserved, most notably, in Scottish English. They tend to be old fashioned about such things, being further from the expanding core of linguistic novelty.

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Re: IDEAR? Whhat? Whhen?

DB yeah I get that but what I usually hear is:

I have no IDEAR
Is that the IDEAR?
What is the IDEAR?

Drives me nuts
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Ok this is a question for the native English speakers...When I moved to the Netherlands I noticed that a lot of Dutch people said "Idear" instead of "idea" (with no R at the end). Now I find the same thing even in some British folk...is evertyhing I learnt about English wrong?
Another thing is "what" and "when", some people pronounce the H in the middle (like the "ch" sound in German)...is it normal? It sounds terrible

Thanks Mud :P
The 'R' in 'ideaR' is called the Celtic obtrusive 'R' generally associated with the accents of the Celtic fringe, i.e. Scotland, west country, Wales, you'll also notice the obtrusive 'U' in Ireland and some parts of Scotland in 'FilUm' for 'film'. It is a mispronunciation and should be avoided, I was always taught that in 'What' and 'when' and 'where' the words should be pronounced as if spelled 'hwat' hwen' and 'hwere' with a smooth unvoiced 'h'.

These two characters of British speech are both interesting, the former is viewed as a mistake and the latter is viewed as standard.
In modern usage and culturally in the UK saying 'Hwat' is viewed as elitist and 'upper class', it could be used as a class distinction.
Interesting the obtrusive 'R' or 'U' is also viewed as a distinction of a lower social status.
This was the case in the past, maybe not so much any more.
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The 'R' in 'ideaR' is called the Celtic obtrusive 'R' generally associated with the accents of the Celtic fringe, i.e. Scotland, west country, Wales, you'll also notice the obtrusive 'U' in Ireland and some parts of Scotland in 'FilUm' for 'film'. It is a mispronunciation and should be avoided, I was always taught that in 'What' and 'when' and 'where' the words should be pronounced as if spelled 'hwat' hwen' and 'hwere' with a smooth unvoiced 'h'.

These two characters of British speech are both interesting, the former is viewed as a mistake and the latter is viewed as standard.
In modern usage and culturally in the UK saying 'Hwat' is viewed as elitist and 'upper class', it could be used as a class distinction.
Interesting the obtrusive 'R' or 'U' is also viewed as a distinction of a lower social status.
This was the case in the past, maybe not so much any more.
What's wrong with 'wot' and 'wen'?
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...is evertyhing I learnt about English wrong?...
Not wrong as such, but there's a huge amount of correct English that never gets taught. Accents are an entirely different kettle of fish. For example_

Gasmask. The first syllable is usually pronounced with a short "a", but seldom, if ever, as "ar". The second syllable may be short "a" or "ar". The educated southern English pronunciation would be:

Gas marsk.

Of course, American English gives you gaas maask.
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