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Meisten / Most

I'm studying C1 german and learning to write about statistics. In english I'd use eg 'most of the people questioned like x' if a table showed that more than half of the people answered that they like x. My german teacher says that 'meisten' can only be used when 90% or over like x. Is this really correct? Does meisten have a different meaning to most? Thanks!
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Old 07.05.2015, 13:38
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Re: Meisten / Most

Hmmmm. If x is the response that more people selected than any other, x is the modal response. Doesn't have to be more than 50%. Or you can say that more than half selected x. I don't know the appropriate German off the top of my head.
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a guess would be that Meisten die Leute should be more like Mehr als 50 prozent or Fast alle or Viele aber nicht alle...
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Re: Meisten / Most

Thanks, I see that meisten would work as most when x is the most frequent response. What I meant was a statistic where eg 100 people can select all the different types of fruit they like on a list. If 55 people like bananas is it wrong to interpret the statistic in German as eg: Die meisten Befragten haben Bananen gern. ?
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Re: Meisten / Most

search for "grösstenteils" or "mehrheitlich".
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Re: Meisten / Most

I don't know the German side, but using "most" for >50% would also be wrong in English, it definitely has an implication of a large proportion not just 51%.

"More" would be a better English word, e.g. "more people voted for x". You could say "x got the most votes" though.
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Thanks, I see that meisten would work as most when x is the most frequent response. What I meant was a statistic where eg 100 people can select all the different types of fruit they like on a list. If 55 people like bananas is it wrong to interpret the statistic in German as eg: Die meisten Befragten haben Bananen gern. ?
to 55% I'd probably say:"Etwas mehr als die Hälfte der Befragten gaben an Bananen zu mögen." or "Knapp über die Hälfte der Befragen gaben an Bananen zu mögen."
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Re: Meisten / Most

In this case "die meisten Personen" would mean the majority of people.
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Re: Meisten / Most

I think it makes a difference if you use "am meisten" or "die meisten". Examples based on a poll situation:

"am meisten" is a superlativ (am schnellsten, am besten, am weitesten) so it simply refers to the #1 position, in this example the candidate with the biggest vote share, however many votes she received. One can use "klar am meisten" to indicate an overwhelming lead.

"Die meisten" is an abbreviation for "die meisten von allen Stimmen", which refers to 100% of all votes, so that means "at least 50% plus one vote" (though I agree that actual usage implies a share clearly bigger than 50.001%). One can use "bei weitem die meisten" to indicate an overwhelming lead.
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Re: Meisten / Most

"am meisten" is an adverb - so it goes with a verb (action), e.g. "ich liebe am meisten Äpfel".

"die meisten" is the adjective so goes with the noun (thing), i.e. it could go with the number of votes - no comment on if it means the correct thing!

Unfortunately English usage can be the other way round - "I like apples the most", "he got most votes" although that's not proper English.
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Re: Meisten / Most

Duden:
  1. die größte Anzahl, Menge von etwas
  2. der größte Teil (einer bestimmten Anzahl oder Menge); die Mehrzahl
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/meiste

Meaning: as soon as you've got a smaller and a larger group, the larger one is referred to as "meiste/n".

52% of the voters were against yaddayadda: die meisten Wähler waren gegen ...

Please bear in mind that German is a foreign language for the Swiss.

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Re: Meisten / Most

High German (better: Standardsprache, Standarddeutsch) is an artificial language for all German speakers. It was put together of all the dialects spoken to create a written language common to the German speakers of Belgien, Elsass, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Südtirol, Lothringen, Switzerland, Austria and Germany. High German allows many local variants. It is like britified, aussified, scottified, eirefied and 'mericafied English as the thread opener so aptly put it :-)

So die Butter and der Butter are both correct as der Tunnel and das Tunnel, Finken and Pantoffeln, Patschen and Hausschuhe are all perfectly good Standardsprache and can be used by any German speaker if he likes it. But Finken will be used mainly by the Swiss, Patschen by the Austrians, Hausschuhe and Pantoffeln mostly by the Germans. Trottoir and Gehsteig and Bürgersteig are all perfectly good Standarddeutsch and so on.
Just because a German speaker from the northern shores thinks Trottoir for Bürgersteig is weird, it is nonetheless absolutely correct. As I once tried to find Rahm in a Hildesheim Supermarket, nobody knew what I meant and I tried to explain and then they found out...oh, you mean Schlagsahne! I certainly knew the word, but I normally use the more southern German Rahm which they don't use up there and it just didn't come to my mind at that moment, it was very funny after all! There is no lesser or better German, there are just many valid variants.

Dialects are something else alltogether, because they are oral and only written in informal situations. Sometimes this becomes kinda quirky: My niece speaks the same dialect as my sister and I at home. But when she writes me a text- message, she writes it in the local dialect; the dialect she speaks with her friends (Bündnerland). Just love it.

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