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Old 22.02.2012, 22:19
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Re: How many people in Switzerland can speak English?

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After 22 years of living in Ticino, all I can say is that 0% ever speak English to me!

Tom

P.S. My daughter went with her friend to the US last year, I asked how she got on without English, turns out her friend speaks FLUENT English! (just not to us!)

P.P.S. I work with several people who NEVER speak to me in English, but will write e-mails and talk to clients in English, but during meetings with said clients we will speak French or Italian amongst ourselves!

P.P.P.S. My kids speak English to each other, even when non-English people are here!
This is actually rather funny since when I'm out and about in Lugano people who were just speaking Italian to someone else (like a cashier) will just look at me and start speaking English.
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Old 22.02.2012, 22:22
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This is actually rather funny since when I'm out and about in Lugano people who were just speaking Italian to someone else (like a cashier) will just look at me and start speaking English.
Well, my wife speaks no English, nor her sister, kids, nephews, etc.

Or, maybe they can, just not to me?

Tom

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Old 22.02.2012, 23:01
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I think word order is less important than pronunciation in spoken word since, few languages are as forgiving as English in terms of both accent and word order. I have some personal language experience to support this.
I have the most embarrassing English language problem - whenever I speak with fluent or native speakers I'm fine. Whenever I speak to someone who can barely speak it - for some reason my English also downgrades massively.

I've never been able to figure out why though - and it doesn't happen with any of the other languages I speak.
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Old 22.02.2012, 23:20
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I have the most embarrassing English language problem - whenever I speak with fluent or native speakers I'm fine. Whenever I speak to someone who can barely speak it - for some reason my English also downgrades massively.
I also start speaking like crap. I've given some thought to it. I believe it is my drive to empathize with people. I must switch that thing off.
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Old 22.02.2012, 23:22
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will just look at me and start speaking English.
What do you wear?
Picture please, doubts will be resolved.
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I think word order is less important than pronunciation in spoken word since, few languages are as forgiving as English in terms of both accent and word order.
Objection, Your Honor.

At gun point, I speak about ten languages, and English has by far the strictest word order rules of all of them. That's because its lack of inflection often doesn't even make it sufficiently clear whether a word is, say, a verb, a noun or an adjective, not to mention details such as cases, gender, person etc.. The lack of grammatical specification is compensated by a very strict syntax.
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Objection, Your Honor.

At gun point, I speak about ten languages, and English has by far the strictest word order rules of all of them. That's because its lack of inflection often doesn't even make it sufficiently clear whether a word is, say, a verb, a noun or an adjective, not to mention details such as cases, gender, person etc.. The lack of grammatical specification is compensated by a very strict syntax.
Well, English replaces inflection with context and idioms and, particularly in the spoken form, it's much, much more forgiving (and possibly even the written judging by how folks write much of the time on the net), e.g. why doesn't my German get understood in Switzerland, but the same German gets understood just across the border? They're not different words, not even in different order, just that the words sound different. If such a problem were present in English, I'd need a translator to speak to folks in Texas most of the time.

Granted, this makes it both easier and, at higher levels, much harder to master but, you don't have to learn 14 grammatical cases and vowel harmony to be able to speak a few sentences and be understood.

It'd be an interesting study to have a set list of phrases in a bunch of languages and then see what the success rate is at being understood as a non-native speaker.
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"The Swiss spend the most on learning English but they speak worse English than the Poles."
because they pay Swiss prices.
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Re: How many people in Switzerland can speak English?

I can ask the way to the beach in a very loud voice. Do I count ?
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After 22 years of living in Ticino, all I can say is that 0% ever speak English to me!

Tom

P.S. My daughter went with her friend to the US last year, I asked how she got on without English, turns out her friend speaks FLUENT English! (just not to us!)

P.P.S. I work with several people who NEVER speak to me in English, but will write e-mails and talk to clients in English, but during meetings with said clients we will speak French or Italian amongst ourselves!

P.P.P.S. My kids speak English to each other, even when non-English people are here!

Your son-in-law-in-spe is right ! Why should he speak English with a potential father-in-law who boasts to be in full command of Italian
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