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Der, Die und Das

This could help in cracking that 'der, die and das' code
I find it ever so helpful!
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Re: Der, Die und Das

..... until you get into dative, accusative and nominative.


Der, Die, Das app. from the App Store (IOS) is also good.
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..... until you get into dative, accusative and nominative.


Der, Die, Das app. from the App Store (IOS) is also good.

Could you please share producer name as there quite a few with these three words in their name.
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Re: Der, Die und Das

I was never able to crack the code so just say whatever comes to mind first
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Could you please share producer name as there quite a few with these three words in their name.
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Re: Der, Die und Das

http://youtu.be/l21uhFCljlU


Always laugh on this one!
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Re: Der, Die und Das

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Always laugh on this one!

That s the reason why I strongly advocate to replace the female DIE KAROTTE by DAS RüEBLI
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Re: Der, Die und Das

This guy, Michael Schmitz is well worth watching on YouTube re der/die/das:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHSJp0QlxQ

Sort of quirky, which I like. He has a language business called Smarter German and I think he's taken over the About.com German service that I get emails from (but rarely read, much to my shame).

I have no link to him, apart from being a customer.
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Re: Der, Die und Das

Das schwein,Die schweinerei,Der schweine hund
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Das schwein,Die schweinerei,Der schweine hund
Schweinhund is der because Hund is der. The last word in a composite always dictates the article.

It would be impressive to put all 3 above into one sentence :P
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Re: Der, Die und Das

Most fruit are feminin in german.

Fruit defined as:
the ripe produce of the flower of a one-year or multi-year plant, provided the produce is harvested on top of or above ground, and clearly has a skin.

That disqualifies potatoes and carrots (they're underground), salads (no skin), all types of cole, garlic, etc. Many of those are feminin as well, but there are many more exceptions than just a handful.

The rule includes all berries (Beere is feminin, every word ending on -beere inherits the gender), Birne (pear), Zwetschge (plum), Pflaume(plum), Kirsche (cherry), Aprikose (apricot), Orange (orange), Zitrone (lemon), Melone (melon), Tomate (tomato), Pfirsich (peach), Bohnen (beans including Höckerbohne and Stangenbohne), alle Nüsse even though some are dug out of the ground, etc.

There are a few exceptions to this rule:
All types of Apfel (including Gravensteiner, Glockenapfel, Golden Delicious, Berner Rosenapfel, Boskoop, etc), all types of Kürbis (pumpkin), plus Speierling, Sanddorn and Holunder. Also Peperoncino (chili peppers), though most people use the plural exclusively (Peperoncini). Additonally, a very few exotic fruits are masculine, but as they mostly are "imported" words to begin with nobody will care anyway.

The rightmost part of any noun, where there is one, determines its gender. That's why "-chen" and "-lein" turn everything neuter, -ion and -ung are always feminin, etc. Kohl (cole) is masculin, thus Rotkohl, Rosenkohl, and all other -kohl are masculin as well.

What's more, this principle applies in a much broader sense, there's a subject-object relationship from right to left in composed nouns:

An Autoreifen (Auto-Reifen) is a Reifen(tyre) to be mounted on a Auto (car), while a Reifenauto is an Auto (car) made up of Reifen (tyres). Umwelt-Schutz means Schutz der Umwelt.
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This could help in cracking that 'der, die and das' code
I find it ever so helpful!
Just remember that not all "female people" take "die" in the nominative -- Mädchen and the now-jettisoned Fräulein are neuter due to their diminutive suffices "chen" and "lein", respectively (as mentioned but not really clarified in the table).

The example Kindlein for a diminutive taking "das" isn't the most helpful, since Kind is already neuter. Tischlein (Tisch is masculine, Tischlein is by this rule neuter) may be a better example of the neuter diminutive.

Something else to remember (this one's easy) is that all plurals, regardless of gender, take "die" in the nominative case.
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Re: Der, Die und Das

Oh, and look out for "Swiss (and often Austrian) genders"!

die Tram --> das Tram (CH)
die E-Mail --> das E-Mail (CH)
die Mami --> das Mami (CH) -- another exception to the 'female people take "die" rule'!

Just add 'li' (the Swiss diminutive) to the end of everything if you're not sure of the gender; then you can use "das" for the nominative and accusative (i.e. for most uses of the noun) to your heart's content. Das Gipfeli, das Zolli, das Heftli, das Müsli, das Chuchichäschtli ().

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Re: Der, Die und Das

Yes the die der das saga.

At least it is for me. I looked at the "where do they appear most" charts etc and came to the conclusion that it made me feel like I was a teenager cheating on an exam.

Sorry folks but as nice as it looks this chart is such a small drop in the ocean as far as learning German is concerned that I realy wouldnt bother unless you want to just have basic, basic German skills.


WARNING:
Charts like this can be missleading as they teach you to follow basic patterns that create COMPLETELY missleading statements bacause of the way German grammar works.
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WARNING:
Charts like this can be missleading as they teach you to follow basic patterns that create COMPLETELY missleading statements bacause of the way German grammar works.
No, the chart is OKish, although every German language teacher recommended to just learn the nouns together with their articles and to not insist in looking for a logic in establishing the gender of a noun, because in most cases there isn't, any.
My native language too has 3 genders which also seem to make some sense, but the more words you know the more you discover that there are very few patterns that function all the time. E.g. in German - names of professions when they are practiced by females are ending in "-in" which indicates the feminine gender and go with the article "die". (Ärtzin, Lehrerin, etc etc)
For me it is fun, especially when genders from native language are different than the genders in German (for instance coffee is masculine in German, whereas I always perceived it as something feminine)......complicated.

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Re: Der, Die und Das

Isn't time that all languages that use 3 genders for the definite article for nouns - for the sake of school children and other nationality learners, everywhere - just adopted the English equivalent, and use one definite article.
It wouldn't be so hard.

Living things have gender - not words.

I cringe every time my insignificant (Swiss) other, when she refers to living beings in English, still uses the German gender definite article equivalent ..... the female dog is 'he', the male cat is 'she', and he niece's baby daughter is 'it'.

I propose 'da' for German (although 'doh' is probably more fitting).
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Re: Der, Die und Das

I just grunt "d' " and hope I get away with it.
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Isn't time that all languages that use 3 genders for the definite article for nouns - for the sake of school children and other nationality learners, everywhere - just adopted the English equivalent, and use one definite article.
It wouldn't be so hard.
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We're coming to that, be sure about it... I cringe when I'm back home and hear the invasion on English words, muttered by sophomore teenagers in places where we definitely have some decent indigenous words. The really tragicomic situation comes up when they have to decline those "nouns"/words...
But well, I guess I'm just getting old.....

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Nice app. The same developer also has one called "Le La"; exactly the same format.
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