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Within a year 4 36.36%
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After 2 years 2 18.18%
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Old 18.11.2008, 11:39
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Oh Roberto Benigni is such a screem, I love his films, they are very touching !!! Have you ever seen any of them Lynn ?
No, I haven't seen too many Italian movies, I'm afraid. I will definitely start. We didn't TV for almost 10 years and now that's it's here, we always forget to watch it.
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But languages are still very much a "use it or lose it" thing. I know of people who were born in Asia, could speak the local language as a young child, but then moved away at around the age of 5. Now, as an adult, they can't remember any of it.


Definitely "go with the flow". All my attempts to make up the right accent from the beginning sounded forced and completely wrong. When I first arrived in Germany, my attempts at including an accent when speaking German made people think that I was Russian. But if you listen to how things are said, it is rather easy to pick up the intonation and mimic it in a natural-sounding way. In many cases, this will make your communication a lot more understandable than getting the actual words right.
Thanks for the great tips Dodger. I also knew many people who lost languages that they spoke as children. It was the same for me. I lived and went to school in Austria when I was 10 for about six months and picked up a lot of German but can't remember anything now.
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Re: How long does it take to learn a new language?

I think its a tremendous advantage in that light to be brought up multilingual. I speak about three languages fluently, and my German used to be fluent years ago when I lived in good ole Munich. With a few months of practice, it'll get there again, I hope!

But my husband speaks about 8 languages fluently, and finds picking up new languages as easy as breathing. It comes from growing up in a place where you hear and speak lots of languages, I think. Your brain gets wired differently. He speaks pretty beautiful (and accent free!) German despite his Indian accent while speaking English.

Its odd. I would love to find out if its actually true, if people who are fluent at a secondary language find it easier to learn subsequent languages.

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I think its a tremendous advantage in that light to be brought up multilingual. I speak about three languages fluently, and my German used to be fluent years ago when I lived in good ole Munich. With a few months of practice, it'll get there again, I hope!

But my husband speaks about 8 languages fluently, and finds picking up new languages as easy as breathing. It comes from growing up in a place where you hear and speak lots of languages, I think. Your brain gets wired differently. He speaks pretty beautiful (and accent free!) German despite his Indian accent while speaking English.

Its odd. I would love to find out if its actually true, if people who are fluent at a secondary language find it easier to learn subsequent languages.

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Eight langauges! That is absolutely amazing!
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Re: How long does it take to learn a new language?

I learned my spanish in Bolivia, my french in West Africa, and my german in Switzerland. This generally means I get strange looks from French, Spanish and German people when I start chuntering (Although to my ears, South American spanish sounds so much better, more melodic, and none of this ethe...ethe...ethe... business).

I also think that learning a language is easier when you have a love for the language. I got to a good level of fluency in spanish and french within about 2 years. My german is still a struggle after more than 5 years. I can communicate well enough, I just haven't found my german personality yet. Speaking german feels, more often than not, like writing computer code, not something I really enjoy.

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I speak Tamil and Hindi fluently, and both of them are very lyrical sounding languages- somewhat like Italian. For me, the bluntness and rawness of German makes it compelling. Its an incredibly masculine language. Rrrowr!!!!

Needless to say it was my husband's beautiful German which first made me notice him
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Re: How long does it take to learn a new language?

Hello there,
Just to get to the point quickly:
-I emigrated to the USA with only a basic knowledge of English, and it took me about a year to feel comfortable to carry on a conversation and to be able to express whatever I wanted to say
-after three years I was already quite fluent
Study tips: watch kids' cartoons, they operate with a basic vocabulary and sentence structure that is easy to understand and replicate in a conversation; also, you may want to try taking some adult classes that are not necessarily language courses. Language courses are usually BORING (rote repetition) and make you self-conscious about using the language, however, if you try to take a photography or painting class in your area--whatever your interests are--you will learn to communicate and express yourself with a purpose.

Good luck!
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Re: How long does it take to learn a new language?

Oh, and incidentally, according to the Cambridge Journal-

"Studies on the acquisition of a third language (L3) in a bilingual context have shown that literacy in two languages facilitates the acquisition of a third (Cenoz & Valencia, 1994; Swain, Lapkin, Rowen, & Hart, 1990)"

Hah! All the more reason to bring kids up in a country which really encourages bilingualism. My brother isn't bilingual- we moved to Australia when he was only 3, and as a child he had tremendous speech difficulties. On the advice of a speech pathologist, we stopped speaking in our Native Indian language to him, and spoke only in English (to facilitate his transition to Australia).

He's now in Spain doing his Masters and is really struggling learning another language, while my multilingual older sister picked up conversational Spanish while being there for a month or so.

Maybe its just the confidence to say "eh, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong!" She tries- he'd rather speak louder in English (as if volume helps when someone doesn't understand you) than attempt Spanish and end up embarrassed.
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I am language teacher and can tell you, the bilingual children learn my subject-language (3rd for them) better and quicker than monolingual ones.
Then, you have also a big difference between students who acquire a metalinguistical awareness and those who don't. Copy-pasting what you hear is not enough after puberty. But it's still good to try it and try and try and try :-)
Thanks for the tips Elie.

What do you mean by copy-pasting?
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Re: How long does it take to learn a new language?

Some more resources and thoughts from Tim Ferriss "The 4-Hour Workweek".

He has some interesting ideas on the practical side of learning a language.

http://fourhourworkweek.com/bonus/pd...-dont-work.pdf

http://fourhourworkweek.com/bonus/pd...arn-lang-A.pdf

http://fourhourworkweek.com/bonus/pd...f-wrapping.pdf

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog...-plus-a-favor/

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog...date/#more-609
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Fantastic links Verbier! Thank you. My computer is really slow and the PDF files take a while but it's really worth the wait.

I just sent an email to my teacher that we should print the 100 most common English words and translate them to Italian so that I can learn them.
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Fantastic links Verbier! Thank you. My computer is really slow and the PDF files take a while but it's really worth the wait.

I just sent an email to my teacher that we should print the 100 most common English words and translate them to Italian so that I can learn them.
Here you go - saves waiting for the reply...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktio...ts/Italian1000

And there are lists in a whole bunch of other languages in the Wiktionary, too.

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Here you go - saves waiting for the reply...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktio...ts/Italian1000

And there are lists in a whole bunch of other languages in the Wiktionary, too.

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Oh, and incidentally, according to the Cambridge Journal-

"Studies on the acquisition of a third language (L3) in a bilingual context have shown that literacy in two languages facilitates the acquisition of a third (Cenoz & Valencia, 1994; Swain, Lapkin, Rowen, & Hart, 1990)"
Does that hold for 3 languages in the same "family" of languages? Would having say English as a mother tongue, with German as a second make it easier to learn Japanese?

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Does that hold for 3 languages in the same "family" of languages? Would having say English as a mother tongue, with German as a second make it easier to learn Japanese?
I would say absolutely!
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Does that hold for 3 languages in the same "family" of languages? Would having say English as a mother tongue, with German as a second make it easier to learn Japanese?
hmm...i dun really think so, the transition from the alphabet to a "drawing" language can be quite a stretch...
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Hello. One perhaps silly opinion but certainly one that worked for me, a little lubrication, I mean some ethanol in the system.
Alcohol, and locals, before you know it youll be speaking, no matter how, tarzanesque it may seem to you to be, and you'll be patting your self on the back on the way home from the bar going damn I was talking Italian and getting along.

Speaking the language when you've been drinking, at least for me, goes a long long way to boosting confidence and also helps you with the process cause you're more likely to reach for weird combinations of words or 'not so sure if its correct' type expressions to convey your thoughts and you get non stressful practice. And you will walk away from inebriated conversations patting yourself on the back. (and or agreeing to something you didnt mean to but thats another story).
have fun.
I know this is not necessarily going to work for everyone or fit into their lifestyles.
I got to Lugano lonely and single and I wanted to get to know the locals, it worked for me.


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Hello. One perhaps silly opinion but certainly one that worked for me, a little lubrication, I mean some ethanol in the system.
Alcohol, and locals, before you know it youll be speaking, no matter how, tarzanesque it may seem to you to be, and you'll be patting your self on the back on the way home from the bar going damn I was talking Italian and getting along.

Speaking the language when you've been drinking, at least for me, goes a long long way to boosting confidence and also helps you with the process cause you're more likely to reach for weird combinations of words or 'not so sure if its correct' type expressions to convey your thoughts and you get non stressful practice. And you will walk away from inebriated conversations patting yourself on the back. (and or agreeing to something you didnt mean to but thats another story).
have fun.
I know this is not necessarily going to work for everyone or fit into their lifestyles.
I got to Lugano lonely and single and I wanted to get to know the locals, it worked for me.


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My teacher and I always drink a bottle of wine during our lesson. So it's not a bad trick!
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Re: How long does it take to learn a new language?

According to this research, the skills innate in someone who is bi-lingual makes it easier to learn a third language. There was also some implication that this was true, regardless of the family grouping of the language. I.E. the skills themselves of having learnt 2 languages makes it easier to pick up subsequent languages.

But I think it stands to commonsense that if it is from the same family group-e.g. Spanish and Portugese, it would be easier to learn the language. Ooh.

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