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if they didn't want me to return can I leave and withdraw a salary?

Can't imagine anybody really wants you with your attitude
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Old 28.02.2015, 23:07
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Thanks. I'm aware that it happens. It's understandable that the Gemeinde will lean on you heavily to pay your taxes before you leave, and you may well get the impression from them that your de-registration will not be valid until you have settled your taxes. But this is not the case. I would be very surprised if you ever find them expressing this link in writing.

If you are in a similar situation again, maybe you could politely mention the Federal Court decision BGE 127 I 97. And publicise it where possible (eg on EF). It's one of my bugbears that people just accept this kind of official bullying, which particularly affects foreigners and is one of the nastier aspects of Swiss bureaucracy. As long as they can get away with it, I'm sure they will. It makes their lives much easier if they don't have to chase foreigners to recover tax. But this is exactly the point: the registration requirement is one thing, and the tax requirement is another, and a Gemeinde is not allowed to use the former to enforce the latter. The court decision couldn't be clearer.
I'll bear that in mind should I be in that position again. To be fair since neither of the he people I knew actually owed anything I'm not sure if they actually make people pay the taxes but they certainly make them fill out the declaration before handing over the de-registration document.

Personally if I was actually leaving Switzerland I would actually prefer to pay all my taxes and be up to date before leaving. I'd have already earned the money after all so there's no reason not to pay the taxes owed in my opinion.
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Old 28.02.2015, 23:20
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there's no reason not to pay the taxes owed in my opinion.
Definitely agree. People should pay their dues, but that's a separate matter from the de-registration. Also, if I were leaving, I would want to leave enough time to make sure I didn't have any more tax-deductible expenses before settling up with the Gemeinde.
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Re: Deregistering / Leaving Switzerland

Well, thanks for pointing out that legal case and law, I had no idea.

As a tax payer however, I think it is a silly law- as it is very expensive to chase unpaid tax from people who've moved abroad, especially outside Europe. I think it would be much better if de-registration was indeed linked to proof of all taxes paid- so can't blame Councils for trying it on.
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Old 28.02.2015, 23:35
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As a tax payer however, I think it is a silly law- as it is very expensive to chase unpaid tax from people who've moved abroad, especially outside Europe. I think it would be much better if de-registration was indeed linked to proof of all taxes paid- so can't blame Councils for trying it on.
I couldn't agree more. It was the way it was done when we left both France and Germany.
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Well, thanks for pointing out that legal case and law, I had no idea.

As a tax payer however, I think it is a silly law- as it is very expensive to chase unpaid tax from people who've moved abroad, especially outside Europe. I think it would be much better if de-registration was indeed linked to proof of all taxes paid- so can't blame Councils for trying it on.
They can make it whatever they want but if someone wants to leave then they will leave and the canton can't stop them so the unpaid tax costs will still exist.
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They can make it whatever they want but if someone wants to leave then they will leave and the canton can't stop them so the unpaid tax costs will still exist.
But without the de-registration form they couldn't cancel health insurance and lots of other things so they could end up owing a lot more than just the tax.
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As a tax payer however, I think it is a silly law- as it is very expensive to chase unpaid tax from people who've moved abroad, especially outside Europe. I think it would be much better if de-registration was indeed linked to proof of all taxes paid- so can't blame Councils for trying it on.
Yes, the Gemeinde is duty-bound to use all means in its power to collect the tax. In practice, they probably don't chase it once you have moved abroad - as you say, it's too expensive.

But the draconian system that you favour does exist in some countries - in the Middle East, for example. You have to prove that you have paid all your taxes and all your debts before they will let you through passport control. This is why the airport car parks are full of expats' Ferraris which they bought on credit and then did a runner before the authorities realised that they were planning to leave.
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But without the de-registration form they couldn't cancel health insurance and lots of other things so they could end up owing a lot more than just the tax.
True. But afaik deregistration is automatic after 6 months outside the country anyway.
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You really are ungrateful, sort your own shit out
Yes i am ungrateful for shit advice
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Can't imagine anybody really wants you with your attitude
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Yes i am ungrateful for shit advice


I never cease to be amazed by the People who come on here for (free) advice and then get snotty when it is not all 100% correct. Nobody here is getting paid to give you advice, but anyone who is giving advice is doing so out of the goodness of their heart and to help out a fellow expat.


All I can say is, if you want advice that you can then complain about if it is incorrect go seek out a professional and pay them.
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Er, what? I've given you two pieces of advice: a) read your contract and b) you can de-register before paying your tax. Both of these are correct. What's your problem?
I would like to thank you for the excellent advise as it has helped me enormously. It is embarrassing when someone purporting to be English is so ungrateful and impolite. It makes me quite angry.
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Re: Deregistering / Leaving Switzerland

If I may add a belated question to this very useful thread, when deregistering and moving to an EU country, is there any requirement to prove that you have registered at the new address you are moving to?
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If I may add a belated question to this very useful thread, when deregistering and moving to an EU country, is there any requirement to prove that you have registered at the new address you are moving to?
No, however you will need to prove you have health insurance or you will be liable for 3 months in CH after you deregister.
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It is embarrassing when someone purporting to be English is so ungrateful and impolite.
They're not English. They're from Yorkshire.
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No, however you will need to prove you have health insurance or you will be liable for 3 months in CH after you deregister.
you mean I will be liable for 3 months health insurance payments in CH?
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you mean I will be liable for 3 months health insurance payments in CH?
If you can't provide proof of other country's health insurance then yes. I assume it's to make sure you have health cover until you get a new policy in place. Don't know if it would be required if you move to the UK for example though as they have a compulsory national system which all residents have access to.
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If you can't provide proof of other country's health insurance then yes. I assume it's to make sure you have health cover until you get a new policy in place. Don't know if it would be required if you move to the UK for example though as they have a compulsory national system which all residents have access to.

Interesting, we left Switzerland a while back. We were required to give an address etc but no proof of it (UK). The attestation means you can cancel everything wef the day you have declared, insurances after that are your problem irrespective or where you are going.

Just a note on something missing from the thread. You can pay a small fee to keep your permit alive for 4 years. We did and I am about to put that in to play and hoping that as suggested at the time re-igniting our C permits would be very straightforward.

Anyone out there been through this???
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If you can't provide proof of other country's health insurance then yes. I assume it's to make sure you have health cover until you get a new policy in place. Don't know if it would be required if you move to the UK for example though as they have a compulsory national system which all residents have access to.
The will require proof your covered, so a NHS card will do the trick.
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