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Old 17.12.2014, 13:43
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

A little update, today I got another letter from the taxman wanting me to pay 12.000 Franks, I have been sending mails over their portal and directly to the guy, (you get return receipt mail) but no reaction from them so far.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

As I understand, you owned a house and sold it before leaving Switzerland. In this case, by law you are obliged to file a tax return. If you don't, the tax administration is entitled to estimate your tax liability ("Einschätzungsentscheid"). Usually, you have 30 days time to appeal against this Einschätzungsentscheid - regularly you would do this by filing your tax return. If you miss this appeal, the tax dept becomes final and due and you cannot appeal against this anymore.

Have you paid "Grundstücksgewinnsteuer" on the possible sale of your house?

In any case, I would engage a Swiss tax advisor in this matter.

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As I understand, you owned a house and sold it before leaving Switzerland. In this case, by law you are obliged to file a tax return. If you don't, the tax administration is entitled to estimate your tax liability ("Einschätzungsentscheid"). Usually, you have 30 days time to appeal against this Einschätzungsentscheid - regularly you would do this by filing your tax return. If you miss this appeal, the tax dept becomes final and due and you cannot appeal against this anymore.

Have you paid "Grundstücksgewinnsteuer" on the possible sale of your house?

In any case, I would engage a Swiss tax advisor in this matter.

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As I understand, you owned a house and sold it before leaving Switzerland. In this case, by law you are obliged to file a tax return. If you don't, the tax administration is entitled to estimate your tax liability ("Einschätzungsentscheid"). Usually, you have 30 days time to appeal against this Einschätzungsentscheid - regularly you would do this by filing your tax return. If you miss this appeal, the tax dept becomes final and due and you cannot appeal against this anymore.

Have you paid "Grundstücksgewinnsteuer" on the possible sale of your house?

In any case, I would engage a Swiss tax advisor in this matter.

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A little update, today I got another letter from the taxman wanting me to pay 12.000 Franks, I have been sending mails over their portal and directly to the guy, (you get return receipt mail) but no reaction from them so far.
Starting to get interesting.
Time for a registered postal letter with copies of all the emails STAPLED to the letter.
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Old 19.12.2014, 09:27
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

You could contact them and explain that you are in financial difficulties, and ask for an alternative to paying the bill all at once. I don't know how these guys work but they may be happy enough for you to pay in instalments over an extended period, a bit like credit card companies. They prefer to get something over a term than nothing at all. At least with an agreement, the final amount will be frozen.

If you simply can't pay, then... you can't pay. What you must avoid is getting further lumps added to the bill for non-payment.
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That is what I am thinking, however I do like to dot the "T´s" and cross the "I´s" I´ll get in touch with GGG and listen to what they have to offer.
Sorry to hear about your woes Slammer - but I think I see where you are going wrong...




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Old 19.12.2014, 09:56
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Sorry to hear about your woes Slammer - but I think I see where you are going wrong...




... I'll get my coat.
..was wondering if somebody would catch that, @Bastie100, never owned a house, and by the things are going, never will.
I got a reply from "the man" parroting from the regs: "you have 30 days to do the Einspruch, has to be done in writing"
So that is what they gonna get, it annoys me though that with confirmed e-mails and secure connections, CHian bureaucracy is still firmly in the hands of the 19th century and wants paper and paper and paper.
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Old 27.12.2014, 12:32
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

…aaaand the story continues…
I sent them an Einspruch against the Schätzung of 15000 CHuff's by registered letter, I thoroughly explained how the situation came to pass and today got a registered letter back saying that they don't accept my Einspruch and I have until the 30th to pay up…
Clearly they are not up for any kind of dialog and there is no way I gonna pay one and a half years worth of wage, so Fornicate them.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Reminds me a bit of this:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zue...id3326207.html

The tax-man can be quite stubborn it seems.

I would advise to enlist the help of an expert, maybe even a lawyer.

This looks like it is a problem that is not likely to solve itself, even less so by sending mails from Malta.
Of course, that's expensive. But it would be even more expensive if a 30k bill landed on your doorstep.
OTOH, I came upon this document:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...82001339,d.ZWU

which suggests that they might have to write-off your "debt" in the end.
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Old 29.12.2014, 09:33
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

I like that very much. it would seem that there is not a lot they can do. I would have liked for everything to be "In Ordnung" but it doesn't look like it is gonna happen. what bugs me is that if I had gotten the papers it would have been done and dusted and my two or three hundred paid. now they simply pull a huge sum out of their asses, because screw you, we can.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Sorry you're having yet more problems Slammer, but to summarize all of this text:

Are they chasing you for unpaid taxes that you do actually owe due to you not paying them while on RAV, that has now been escalated as a result of not giving them proper contact details of your new address?

I'm just trying to work out from your posts if their claim is actually legitimate and down to you not doing what you should have done, or if you did what you could and are being somehow penalized for it.

I'm swinging towards Corbets assessment, in which case I don't see much choice but to pay what you owe and try and reduce the additional administration charges somehow.
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Old 30.12.2014, 08:07
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Sorry you're having yet more problems Slammer, but to summarize all of this text:

Are they chasing you for unpaid taxes that you do actually owe due to you not paying them while on RAV, that has now been escalated as a result of not giving them proper contact details of your new address?

I'm just trying to work out from your posts if their claim is actually legitimate and down to you not doing what you should have done, or if you did what you could and are being somehow penalized for it.

I'm swinging towards Corbets assessment, in which case I don't see much choice but to pay what you owe and try and reduce the additional administration charges somehow.
Trying to work that on out myself, I did give them (the Migrationssamt) my contact details, they did not have to track me down but instead of getting the tax declarations papers I got the Verfügung.
I have now asked the guy to send me the papers and at least give me the chance to do my declaration.
Don't know if it is gonna be of any use though, this fellow seems to be a real Currentcrapper and he can really hurt me, even though the money I have paid for my pension is in a closed Freizügigkeitskonto until I reach pension age they can get to it and slap ginormous administrator fees on top.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

So, how then did this all pan out?
Weeel I managed to get in touch with the bloke who has the last word over matters of the tax and go into a dialog at the end of which I was allowed to hand in my tax declaration late, they even wavered the 80 Frank re-issue fine.
That worked and I handed in the papers fully expecting to pay what I had had to pay in the period 2012, or in CHuff´s 200,-- being unemployed and on low money sometimes has it´s advantage.
But NOOOOOOO! That is not how the CHian taxman rolls, just because I was able to hand in the papers later didn´t mean that I was off the hook from the 8270 CHuff´s (yes that is 8270 Swiss Franks) or in Maltese wages over a years pay, not only that they hit on the idea that I had not paid enough in 2012 and hit me with a Nachzahlung of 3100 Franks as a fkcu you, adding the Bundestax as well came to a cool 14 Kilo CHuffs.
Then!
Even though I de-registered in January I got the papers for the 2014 tax period in March 2015.
That went back and forth and back and forth with the guy and still I got Mahnung after Mahnung each with a 40 Frank fine.
Then I exploded and told them in no uncertain terms that I will not pay, can not pay, especially when they screw up and I will not respond anymore to their threats.
I was then asked to produce my rent contract, my bank statements for the last six months and wage slips also for the last six months and a written explanation on how the situation came to pass.
Did that and got a letter back saying that they will not go down from the Schätzung and that the sum of around 14 grand still stands, however they will not try to cash in if I can prove every year from now until eternity that my financial means have not changed, or if I get rich and famous or inherit or (most uncomfortable) draw my pension.
I agreed and will do it all again next April and maybe the next and then they can go and fornicate themselves.
Then I get an Einschreiben from the Zulassungsstelle Basel Stadt fining me for not going to the MFK appointment for Iron Pig and not paying the taxes and as I am no longer insured (in Switzerland, here on Malta yes) they want me to deliver the pig to the Swiss police.
Ha ha, Slammer is now officially a "Outlaw biker"
Ok, so I am still running on Swiss plates but the Maltese are not interested in that as I have paid Transport Malta their quarter pound of flesh and just havn´t gotten round to coughing up for the Customs.
No amount of talking with this guy at the BS Zulassungsstelle, I know this guy is a savent and no amount of haggling will get me a dialog to my advantage so I have decided to put the Zulassungsstelle on "Ignore" for all future Einschreiben.
Screw ´em.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Enjoy the sun and Malta and your new life.
If they come , they come. What are they going to take? the money you do not have or the house you rent.


Just don't cross the border into Ch anymore.... .
And make sure to keep all correspondence . (I do everything by email to have a paper trail) to show good faith and that you did try to resolve. It might help in the future IF anything ever comes from it.
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Old 15.04.2015, 20:23
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Well they could hold their hands out as soon as I want to draw my pension out of CH.
Switzerland is off my Christmas card list, it´s just that I did not want it to happen like this but having said that, the pressure I had at the end of 2012 simply left me with no other option.
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Well they could hold their hands out as soon as I want to draw my pension out of CH.
Switzerland is off my Christmas card list, it´s just that I did not want it to happen like this but having said that, the pressure I had at the end of 2012 simply left me with no other option.
Assuming your pension is located here, won't they simply confiscate it directly at some point to recover the taxes you owe?

You're obviously negative about this whole experience, but I don't think you have a legitimate gripe against the Swiss government for trying to collect the taxes due on monies you earned while in Switzerland.
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Assuming your pension is located here, won't they simply confiscate it directly at some point to recover the taxes you owe?

You're obviously negative about this whole experience, but I don't think you have a legitimate gripe against the Swiss government for trying to collect the taxes due on monies you earned while in Switzerland.
No I don't have a gripe with the government collecting taxes that are due, it's all about fairness, I have an issue with the fact that despite being informed where I moved to and them fully understanding that it was due to circumstances outside of my control that the tax declaration for 2013 was handed in late that they will not re evaluate their "punishment for being late" blind estimate of what is due.
Not only that, I did the declaration for 2012 and paid what was due, (around 300 Franks, if I remember correctly) I did not earn one Frank more in 2013, in fact minus October, November and December as my 400 days had ended in September. So where is the difference between the 300 Franks from 2012 and the 8270 Franks from 2013 coming from?
Then, why do they deduct that from their 2013 estimate of 8270 Franks that I need to pay another 3100 Franks from 2012?
Did they pull these sums out of their asses, and why the hell should I pay taxes in Switzerland for 2014 despite being de registered in January 2013?
Make any sense to you, hopefully as it is lightyears beyond my meagre capacity of comprehension.
So yeah, you could say that I am negative about it.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

I honestly don't understand, why do they ask for these 14K to be paid? What's the reasoning behind it? You say you were on RAV, were you supposed to pay this amount in taxes or no?

Otherwise, I prety much agree with you. I'd honestly stop all comms and tell them to FO. What can they do about it? I really doubt it that they can confiscate your pension fund, even for tax reasons.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Do I read this correctly:
You were in CH until early 2014, are still due tax declaration for 2011 (i.e. more than two years overdue) and 2012, including the taxes, and wonder why they insist the taxes for these two years?
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