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Old 10.12.2014, 23:27
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The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

White star had the Titanic, Lockheed had the Starfighter, Ferdinand Graf von Zeppelin had the Hindenburg and Slammer has the taxman.
It's a law of nature that my dealings with the taxman always end in the perfect storm, again and again and again.
A little recap..
Last year, exactly one year ago to the day, I loaded Iron Pig and sallied forth from Basel to Malta, of the 101 things I needed to do I thought of eighty and managed sixty, but to my defence my unemployment money had finished and the house where I had my one room pokey hole under the roof had been sold and I had just two weeks to go before I became a 53 year old unemployed homeless guy living under Wettstein bridge.
So my priorities were at odds with Swiss bureaucracy and I ended up on Malta.
On the 17th of January I de-registered from CH using the online option offered by Stadt Basel, I never got conformation but Hey! Malta, sun, sea work, roof over my head, food and beer, new roll of the dice, however there was always a little niggle on the back burner of my mind but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
May, June, July, come August I had some dealings per e-mail with the Lungenliga in Basel to return their CPAP, (Jeeez, the industrial strength money these buggers want) that was sorted amicably, but they had been pretty gnarly because they had send letters to my Basel address and had never gotten answer.
Duh!
Clearly something was amiss, turned out that Stadt Basel had not accepted my de-registering, because I had not put in my new address, however at the time I was living in a collective accommodation where the newbies get parked until they have their own digs, so not yet having an address I simply left it blank.
This is where it get's interesting..
Perhaps a stupid me did the right (or stupid) thing and stupidly got in touch with Basel gave them my new address and two weeks later I got my Abmeldung backdated to the 17th Jan.
Everything fine.
Last month I get a (non-registered mail) from the Basel taxman wanting my tax declaration from end of 2012- to end of 2013, remember I was unemployed and with the RAV, for the tax period 2011 to 2012 and did the tax thingy with G.G.G. in Basel and ended up paying nothing.
This demand had evidently had gone through many levels of escalation and was threatening with 500 Frank fines, my soul and the blood of my firstborn.
I wrote back telling them that I had never received any correspondence from them, because… I no longer live in CH.
Today I get another two (unregistered) letters from the buggers with a bill for 2990 Franks tax and 122 Franks Kantonalsteuer.
I am tempted to send them a drawing of my fist with extended middle finger but maybe that would be like kicking a hornets nest.
Waddya think, is this just bluster or can they hurt me here?
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Old 11.12.2014, 00:08
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White star had the Titanic, Lockheed had the Starfighter, Ferdinand Graf von Zeppelin had the Hindenburg and Slammer has the taxman.
It's a law of nature that my dealings with the taxman always end in the perfect storm, again and again and again.
A little recap..
Last year, exactly one year ago to the day, I loaded Iron Pig and sallied forth from Basel to Malta, of the 101 things I needed to do I thought of eighty and managed sixty, but to my defence my unemployment money had finished and the house where I had my one room pokey hole under the roof had been sold and I had just two weeks to go before I became a 53 year old unemployed homeless guy living under Wettstein bridge.
So my priorities were at odds with Swiss bureaucracy and I ended up on Malta.
On the 17th of January I de-registered from CH using the online option offered by Stadt Basel, I never got conformation but Hey! Malta, sun, sea work, roof over my head, food and beer, new roll of the dice, however there was always a little niggle on the back burner of my mind but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
May, June, July, come August I had some dealings per e-mail with the Lungenliga in Basel to return their CPAP, (Jeeez, the industrial strength money these buggers want) that was sorted amicably, but they had been pretty gnarly because they had send letters to my Basel address and had never gotten answer.
Duh!
Clearly something was amiss, turned out that Stadt Basel had not accepted my de-registering, because I had not put in my new address, however at the time I was living in a collective accommodation where the newbies get parked until they have their own digs, so not yet having an address I simply left it blank.
This is where it get's interesting..
Perhaps a stupid me did the right (or stupid) thing and stupidly got in touch with Basel gave them my new address and two weeks later I got my Abmeldung backdated to the 17th Jan.
Everything fine.
Last month I get a (non-registered mail) from the Basel taxman wanting my tax declaration from end of 2012- to end of 2013, remember I was unemployed and with the RAV, for the tax period 2011 to 2012 and did the tax thingy with G.G.G. in Basel and ended up paying nothing.
This demand had evidently had gone through many levels of escalation and was threatening with 500 Frank fines, my soul and the blood of my firstborn.
I wrote back telling them that I had never received any correspondence from them, because… I no longer live in CH.
Today I get another two (unregistered) letters from the buggers with a bill for 2990 Franks tax and 122 Franks Kantonalsteuer.
I am tempted to send them a drawing of my fist with extended middle finger but maybe that would be like kicking a hornets nest.
Waddya think, is this just bluster or can they hurt me here?
They can only make you pay tax on your income, is the income correct what they based their tax calculation on? If so, pay. If not, fight!!
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Old 11.12.2014, 00:23
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Thing is I simply don't know, binders and folders were not on my priority when I packed the pig and got left behind, I did not have any tax the year before so as nothing in my income had changed I can deduct that it must be the same.
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Old 11.12.2014, 00:47
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Forget about deductions; can you prove your income?
Must be possible to get copies from somebody?
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Old 11.12.2014, 01:31
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Forget about deductions; can you prove your income?
Must be possible to get copies from somebody?
Gonna have to see if the RAV still has data.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

I doubt they have an extradition treaty with Malta over minor taxation discrepancies. It would only be in your interest to pay if you thought you might ever fancy returning to Switzerland.

On the other hand they have no actual proof, unless you signed for them, that you received those letters.
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Old 11.12.2014, 08:47
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

I would suggest calling them to explain and following up with a registered mail to sort it out. Having outstanding debts is to be avoided.
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Old 11.12.2014, 08:50
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I doubt they have an extradition treaty with Malta over minor taxation discrepancies. It would only be in your interest to pay if you thought you might ever fancy returning to Switzerland.

On the other hand they have no actual proof, unless you signed for them, that you received those letters.
That is what I am thinking, however I do like to dot the "T´s" and cross the "I´s" I´ll get in touch with GGG and listen to what they have to offer.
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Old 11.12.2014, 11:56
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I doubt they have an extradition treaty with Malta over minor taxation discrepancies. It would only be in your interest to pay if you thought you might ever fancy returning to Switzerland.

On the other hand they have no actual proof, unless you signed for them, that you received those letters.
Do they actually need proof?

As I understand it, he's being fined for not having paid his taxes. He also failed to supply appropriate contact information to the government, which was his responsibility and would have enabled them to get in touch with him; it's not the government's role to chase him down.

*caveat: I'm not a lawyer, and I don't particularly care, that's just the way the situation sounds from a brief scan of the thread.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

You're in Malta, not the Tora Bora caves of Afghanistan. They are most likely to find you. Countries do pass tax debts between them and add on huge fines for the administration, so it's well worth sorting it out before it becomes a much more expensive problem.
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Old 11.12.2014, 13:44
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Yeh, I´m working on it, sent a mail to GGG asking for assistance, let´s see what they advise.
I never tried to hide it and gave them my new address,it´s just something I did not see coming, not that I have any chance to actually pay that amount.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

You say while you were on RAV you didn't have to pay any tax, I might be wrong but I always thought that while on RAV you need to pay your tax, pension and other charges just like employed person as you are employed by the RAV office, but I might be completely wrong.
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You say while you were on RAV you didn't have to pay any tax, I might be wrong but I always thought that while on RAV you need to pay your tax, pension and other charges just like employed person as you are employed by the RAV office, but I might be completely wrong.
I think everyone on RAV pays tax at source on their RAV payments even if they have a c permit.
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Old 11.12.2014, 17:15
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

That's the way it's done, you still have to do the declaration though, and last time I did it my tax was nil.
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I think everyone on RAV pays tax at source on their RAV payments even if they have a c permit.
No, if you have a C permit your paid gross.
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You say while you were on RAV you didn't have to pay any tax, I might be wrong but I always thought that while on RAV you need to pay your tax, pension and other charges just like employed person as you are employed by the RAV office, but I might be completely wrong.
Yes - RAV is taxed normally as income - they are insurance payments and are handled as normal revenue/income.
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

It sucks. But, yes, tax is paid on RAV as for any income. If I were you, I would get a cheap flight back and come to visit friends for 1 week or 2- and tra and sort it out face to face. So they can see you really are not trying to cheat the system- and show evidence that you cannot afford to pay (are you employed now in Malta- and would your salary make it possible for you to pay a small amount over a period of time).

You could ignore it- and it might go away- or not. And you never know if you might ever want to come back to CH. I know a young man who left a couple of years ago- but is now wanting to get back here as there is not much hope 'back home' with jobs, etc. So you never know. Personally, I'd much prefer to have a clean slate. But this might me just me. Good luck- tell us how you get on.

You are supposed to keep all tax and financial info for at least 7 years, I believe- and this 'not being your priority' may not wash very well with the tax office.
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It sucks. But, yes, tax is paid on RAV as for any income. If I were you, I would get a cheap flight back and come to visit friends for 1 week or 2- and tra and sort it out face to face. So they can see you really are not trying to cheat the system- and show evidence that you cannot afford to pay (are you employed now in Malta- and would your salary make it possible for you to pay a small amount over a period of time).

You could ignore it- and it might go away- or not. And you never know if you might ever want to come back to CH. I know a young man who left a couple of years ago- but is now wanting to get back here as there is not much hope 'back home' with jobs, etc. So you never know. Personally, I'd much prefer to have a clean slate. But this might me just me. Good luck- tell us how you get on.

You are supposed to keep all tax and financial info for at least 7 years, I believe- and this 'not being your priority' may not wash very well with the tax office.
I doubt very much that I will be back in CH as there is nothing there that would draw me back. A cheap flight and a week or two in CH are so far out of reach with the subsistence wage I get as to be on the moon, my christmas dinner, for instance, is gonna be Ramen noodles, gonna get in touch with them, but then again I did that and explained the situation and got a bill for 3000 Franks
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Re: The Taxman Always Rings Twice.

Bu**er- I am sorry you are having a tough time. But they can't get you to pay something you can't pay. Not sure what to advise if you can't come and sort it out in person. Do you have a good friend where you lived, with good language skills and communication- who could go and discuss this on your behalf- with your permission, perhaps. Or write again a registered letter with the evidence that you can't possibly pay.

Hope you can get this sorted out- and that the sun will shine in Malta for your Christmas and a much better new Year. Maybe there is another nice ex EF person in Malta who could invite you for a good Christmas lunch and a bottle of collapso
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Bu**er- I am sorry you are having a tough time. But they can't get you to pay something you can't pay. Not sure what to advise if you can't come and sort it out in person. Do you have a good friend where you lived, with good language skills and communication- who could go and discuss this on your behalf- with your permission, perhaps. Or write again a registered letter with the evidence that you can't possibly pay.

Hope you can get this sorted out- and that the sun will shine in Malta for your Christmas and a much better new Year. Maybe there is another nice ex EF person in Malta who could invite you for a good Christmas lunch and a bottle of collapso
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