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Leaving for the UK

I am a Permanent Resident here and so are my Children.

I have stayed home with family for the last 10 years between countries actually(asia, africa, Haiti) so it was not possible for me to get a job. Since we got back in 2013 my efforts to get retrained and to find a job have yielded nothing. It always boils down to being able to speak and write Deutsch properly - Boy, its drives me me so somethimes! Frustuating to say the least!

I am taking lessons,... yes but I cant be sure I can master Deutsch in 2-3 years. At 45, I do not want to waste my time seating around and gnashing when they're other possibilities. Finally I have decided to move to the UK, where I believe I will do some adult course...to allow me get back to into the work field and I also hope to continue learning Deutsch but in a more relaxed manner.

I need some tips please.
If you were me - moving to Uk for the first time, where is the ideal place you would choose to live ?
I do not want to be in the middle of London. I live in Erlenbach. So I am hoping to find a place not so different, but on the outskirts of London with good schools, transport, "good weather", not expensive for the common man. I have 8 and 5 year olds kids. My children and I need to continue learning Deutsch while in UK as we shall always come back here for Holidays.
So what do you think?

Looking forward to your input....folks, thanks!
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Re: Leaving for the UK

There are 2 parts to Britain, London and the rest.

Is there a big need to live in London? It is crowded, very expensive, and the people are not very friendly. I know, I grew up in London!

Maybe consider the counties of Yorkshire, Shropshire, Gloucestershire, Norfolk?
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Re: Leaving for the UK

Kent is commutable to London and a bit cheaper than Surrey. Many people also commute from Sussex e.g. East Grinstead. Also close to Gatwick airport so you can come back to ch in the holidays.
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Old 18.06.2015, 17:13
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Re: Leaving for the UK

If you want to be in or around London and need to rent a family dwelling you are in for a massive shock.
More and more people are commuting in and some of the areas around outer London are still highly priced.
One of my daughters lives in Ashford Kent which is quite rural and surrounded by lovely countryside and beautiful villages. You can buy a 4 Bed house for around £250,000 and rent for about £1000 pm.
The reason is that is is also good is that it on the the HS1 train route (High Speed) so it only takes 35mins into central London and of course for driving over to France - 10 Mins down the M20 to catch the Eurotunnel!
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Leeds. It's like Yorkshire but west a bit.
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Re: Leaving for the UK

Well I've said it before, I am a great fan of the East Midlands. Near to Luton and or Stansted airports, near the A1/M11 and M1/A14 and good rail links into London too. Much cheaper than Kent and tons cheaper than Surrey, and not half as busy as Sussex South of London- with excellent schools, great countryside and a mixture of towns, some quiet and traditional, others buzzing and very multicultural. Even our little town to Market Harborough is just over 1 hour by train (but no good for the City or South Bank).

Obviously if you travelled all over the place and didn't know you were coming to Switzerland- you could not use all those years looking after the kids to learn German. But I cannot emphasize enough- for any mum here at home with young kids- how important it is to acquire as much local language as possible during this part of your life to pave the way for your future return to work or study. It takes a lot of organisation and effort- but believe me, it makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE once the kids go to school and you feel ready. When our youngest started school, I started at Uni and would have never ever been able to do so had I not made the effort to learn the local and 3rd language, and had gone on courses to keep up the 2nd.

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Re: Leaving for the UK

What Passport do you have are you allowed to live in England?
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I am taking lessons,... yes but I cant be sure I can master Deutsch in 2-3 years. At 45, I do not want to waste my time seating around and gnashing when they're other possibilities. Finally I have decided to move to the UK, where I believe I will do some adult course...to allow me get back to into the work field and I also hope to continue learning Deutsch but in a more relaxed manner.
So you want to move to Uk to do an adult course, and also learn German, and then you want to get back to CH? Or do you want to move to UK permanently?

If it is the first case, if I'm not mistaken, your permanent residence in CH (C permit?) gets revoked if you move to another country? You may have trouble coming back - you may need a new permit and start from scratch? Then I would also consider that learning German while living in UK is not really ideal, if your goal is to learn German then learn it here.

If it is the second case, then you probably want to choose a place in UK where you think you can get a job... what is your trade/what do you see yourself doing there?

And of course, this assumes you meet the conditions to enter and become resident in the UK.
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I need some tips please.[INDENT]If you were me - moving to Uk for the first time, where is the ideal place you would choose to live ?
A friend of mine recently moved to Reading after having lived in London. I spent Easter with him and his family and it was very picturesque and affordable - they moved from a tiny flat in London zone 1 to a 3 bedroom house for the same price. If I had to go back to the UK and couldn't choose London, I'd move there, it's also a fairly short drive (45 mins) to London if you change your mind.

Also, what would be important for me is whether you'd be looking to rent or buy (I'm assuming rent due to your mentioning of probably coming back).

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Old 18.06.2015, 20:34
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Re: Leaving for the UK

45 and clueless...

Sorry if that is harsh, but what exactly are you hoping to achieve?

1) learning German... In the UK... Yes, that makes a lot of sense. People often move away from Germanic countries to learn German. People in the UK can barely speak English, nevermind another language (and I'm talking about the Anglosaxons here).

2) Get a job? Go for it. But what job, exactly, are you hoping to get? What skills do you have? This will determine where you should move to. If you have "general" skills great, but what will make you better than all the other people who are also looking for jobs? (Apparently there are some...)

3) Permits etc. I assume you have these but as pointed out above if you don't then you need to take this into account.

4) Finally, what about your children. The school system bears no resemblance to the Swiss one and at 5 and 8 they might have difficulties (more the 8 year old tbh). Take a look on the EF education threads and think about the impact in "reverse".

Anyway doing this when you are young free and single is one things. With children is another. If I'm wrong - and this of course is entirely possible - and you've thought about all this, then great, my apologies and good luck.
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Old 18.06.2015, 20:56
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Re: Leaving for the UK

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Quote If you want to be in or around London and need to rent a family dwelling you are in for a massive shock.
More and more people are commuting in and some of the areas around outer London are still highly priced.
One of my daughters lives in Ashford Kent which is quite rural and surrounded by lovely countryside and beautiful villages. You can buy a 4 Bed house for around £250,000 and rent for about £1000 pm.
The reason is that is is also good is that it on the the HS1 train route (High Speed) so it only takes 35mins into central London and of course for driving over to France - 10 Mins down the M20 to catch the Eurotunnel! Unquote

Wow that is so cheap, in Zone 3 London, one might be lucky to get a one bedroom flat for that price or rent. For some odd reason, house prices in London going through the roof.

Note also with massive immigration, some people are having problems with finding places in schools for their children
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Re: Leaving for the UK

The OP is Swiss/African according to their profile and I assume naturalised via their marriage when abroad. And that said marriage has failed as there is no mention of a partner also wanting to move to the UK.

If you're not actually Swiss, but have a resident's permit then I'm sorry, but you can't just move to the UK. The permit is only valid for Switzerland, not any other country in the EU. Depending on which African country you hold a passport for you may well need a visa to enter the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-uk-visa

What sort of adult course do you think you could do and where? At a university or college? Have you thought of doing such a course via the Open University here in Switzerland?

http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/count...itzerland.shtm

And what happened about going to Cranfield uni?

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Re: Leaving for the UK

Yorkshire or the Lakes. Both gorgeous, but I'm a biased Northerner.

If you want to be close to a big city, then Cheshire is lovely and close to Manchester, for courses, work and travel.
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I am a Permanent Resident here and so are my Children.

I have stayed home with family for the last 10 years between countries actually(asia, africa, Haiti) so it was not possible for me to get a job. Since we got back in 2013 my efforts to get retrained and to find a job have yielded nothing. It always boils down to being able to speak and write Deutsch properly - Boy, its drives me me so somethimes! Frustuating to say the least!

I am taking lessons,... yes but I cant be sure I can master Deutsch in 2-3 years. At 45, I do not want to waste my time seating around and gnashing when they're other possibilities. Finally I have decided to move to the UK, where I believe I will do some adult course...to allow me get back to into the work field and I also hope to continue learning Deutsch but in a more relaxed manner.

I need some tips please.
If you were me - moving to Uk for the first time, where is the ideal place you would choose to live ?
I do not want to be in the middle of London. I live in Erlenbach. So I am hoping to find a place not so different, but on the outskirts of London with good schools, transport, "good weather", not expensive for the common man. I have 8 and 5 year olds kids. My children and I need to continue learning Deutsch while in UK as we shall always come back here for Holidays.
So what do you think?

Looking forward to your input....folks, thanks!
It's hard to answer without you being more specific, do you want suburbs or rural? (sorry I don't know Erlenbach so I can't name an equivalent!) Does it have to be near London for some particular reason? Or will any major city fulfill your criteria?

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The school system bears no resemblance to the Swiss one and at 5 and 8 they might have difficulties (more the 8 year old tbh). Take a look on the EF education threads and think about the impact in "reverse".
I moved my kids from UK to CH at ages 4 and 7. They have adapted quite well. However the schools in UK are very academic from a very early age; they're reading, writing and doing math (for 6 hours a day, 5x week including wednesday afternoons!! ) at 4 years old so I'd imagine it to be harder the other way around. Doable though, with lots of support
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Old 18.06.2015, 22:38
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Re: Leaving for the UK

You asked for advice so I'll give you some serious advice:

Stay here. Jobs in England are hard to come by and learning German in England doesn't make sense. The social security system is under real pressure so if you think life here is tough wait until you get to England.

The prospects for you and your children are much better here in Switzerland, yes it can be tough here but it can be tough anywhere. If you aim to learn German anyway then do it here and keep applying for jobs.

That said, if you really want to go to England then head for East Anglia or East Midlands. Cost of living and transport links make this a good choice.

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What Passport do you have are you allowed to live in England?
Boy!!! - I appreciate all the tips coming in. Just to answer your query, I do have a Swiss passport.
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With a Swiss passport you would be foolish to leave here. Conditions in Britain are dire for anyone with children.
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Re: Leaving for the UK...to your queries

First & foremost - thanks to all who have chipped in here. I will try to answer your queries in this Post.

I do hold a Swiss Passport. My husband is working in Asia -2 year contract....is here for holidays. This will be our big Discussion....so doing my homework now!

45, yap. Cluless....not exactly. Reassessing & realigning myself for better results!! Although I qualified in Water & Evt Management, it holds no water here with a 10 year gap. The Berufsberatung Bureau has assured me that I need to retrain myself. Thats not bad, I saw it coming however all such trainings are in Deutsche. So my top priority now is not Deutsch but to retrain myself as I do Deutsch. I have always had an interest in going to the UK. So, this is the time.

We have always been on the move due to the nature of ma husbads jobs; so my eldest son fitted in well with the school system here, because he had been through the academic education style of Zambia and Haiti. The challenge will be with the younger one who has been in the swiss system since we returned in 2013. She is almost 6, but her reading, writing and math is almost zero. So I am sure the British system will also do them both a lot of good. And I will be around to help and more independent. I always have to relay on relatives to interpret school documents, meetings, correspondences etc

I took up German as soon as I got here but it all evaporated during my 3 year stay in Haiti as we had to learn and use French and Creole.

Cranfield - I failed to secure a place there.

I know about the Open University but I am not interested in doing an online course. I want move there. I know it wont be easy, but its not so easy for me here either. I am doing my due diligence and I look forward to the ride. I believe it will be an enriching experience.

Hopefully that answers all your queries. Thanks again for all the tips....they're goner come handy!

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So you want to move to Uk to do an adult course, and also learn German, and then you want to get back to CH? Or do you want to move to UK permanently?

If it is the first case, if I'm not mistaken, your permanent residence in CH (C permit?) gets revoked if you move to another country? You may have trouble coming back - you may need a new permit and start from scratch? Then I would also consider that learning German while living in UK is not really ideal, if your goal is to learn German then learn it here.

If it is the second case, then you probably want to choose a place in UK where you think you can get a job... what is your trade/what do you see yourself doing there?

And of course, this assumes you meet the conditions to enter and become resident in the UK.
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Re: Leaving for the UK...to your queries

Hi blizard, and thanks for the reply, it clarifies quite a few things. With a swiss passport you won't have much trouble moving between the two countries.

If you want to do more training in UK then I guess a good move would be to start looking towards some of the larger cities/education centres to look for a college-level (A-level?) or university-level course in the field to take for one/more years, depending on where you can start. If London is out of the question, you won't do bad with other places like Manchester, Edinburgh, York, Newcastle, Norwich... and then many more smaller ones... The best route would be to find the institution/course to get into and then move in the area.

I would not sweat too much about choosing the first place to land as an absolute best - in UK there is a lot more flexibility in terms of moving home/moving jobs, it's just a lot easier to move after 6 months if you find a better place and got an idea of what works for you there.

I'm not sure I would qualify the UK as "dire" for people with children.... Sbrinz, care to elaborate?
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